Judge Recommends Ruling to Block Internet Access to Sci-Hub The American Chemical Society seeks a broad order that includes millions of dollars in damages and demands action from Internet service providers and search engines. By Diana Kwon | October 4, 2017 http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50563/title/Judge-Reco... http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50361/title/Publishers...
you know, the Sci-Hub folk could fix this themselves... with some authentication requirements... and probably by just unplugging from the intertubes? On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) <mathews@hawaii.edu> wrote:
Judge Recommends Ruling to Block Internet Access to Sci-Hub The American Chemical Society seeks a broad order that includes millions of dollars in damages and demands action from Internet service providers and search engines. By Diana Kwon | October 4, 2017
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50563/ title/Judge-Recommends-Ruling-to-Block-Internet-Access-to-Sci-Hub/ http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50361/ title/Publishers--Legal-Action-Advances-Against-Sci-Hub/
On 10/17/2017 5:33 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
you know, the Sci-Hub folk could fix this themselves... with some authentication requirements... and probably by just unplugging from the intertubes?
*Hi Chris:* Apart from what the court's dictate(s) will be in technical and/or non-technical terms, from an infrastructure operations point of view, I shall at least be curious to understand "how" - many in non-technical political circles will be 'taking their seats' under net-neutrality, censorship, and capitalism banners among others. Regards.
On 10/17/17, 5:33 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Christopher Morrow" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
you know, the Sci-Hub folk could fix this themselves... with some authentication requirements... and probably by just unplugging from the intertubes?
"Sci-Hub’s founder, has previously told The Scientist the site plans to ignore the lawsuit.” How would Sci-Hub consider this a “fix”? What enforcement mechanism would the Court have against Sci-Hub? The idea of making third parties (ISPs) incur costs (updating ACLs or poisoning DNS) to enforce the order is pretty bad, and doesn’t stop Tor access. Sorry I didn’t have a chance to file an amicus before the ruling tomorrow. Lee
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) <mathews@hawaii.edu> wrote:
Judge Recommends Ruling to Block Internet Access to Sci-Hub The American Chemical Society seeks a broad order that includes millions of dollars in damages and demands action from Internet service providers and search engines. By Diana Kwon | October 4, 2017
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50563/ title/Judge-Recommends-Ruling-to-Block-Internet-Access-to-Sci-Hub/ http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50361/ title/Publishers--Legal-Action-Advances-Against-Sci-Hub/
it worked here in Brazil against whatsapp. Em 19/10/2017 13:49, Lee Howard escreveu:
On 10/17/17, 5:33 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Christopher Morrow" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
you know, the Sci-Hub folk could fix this themselves... with some authentication requirements... and probably by just unplugging from the intertubes? "Sci-Hub’s founder, has previously told The Scientist the site plans to ignore the lawsuit.” How would Sci-Hub consider this a “fix”?
What enforcement mechanism would the Court have against Sci-Hub?
The idea of making third parties (ISPs) incur costs (updating ACLs or poisoning DNS) to enforce the order is pretty bad, and doesn’t stop Tor access. Sorry I didn’t have a chance to file an amicus before the ruling tomorrow.
Lee
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) <mathews@hawaii.edu> wrote:
Judge Recommends Ruling to Block Internet Access to Sci-Hub The American Chemical Society seeks a broad order that includes millions of dollars in damages and demands action from Internet service providers and search engines. By Diana Kwon | October 4, 2017
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50563/ title/Judge-Recommends-Ruling-to-Block-Internet-Access-to-Sci-Hub/ http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50361/ title/Publishers--Legal-Action-Advances-Against-Sci-Hub/
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:57 AM, João Butzke <lista-gter@tbonet.net.br> wrote:
it worked here in Brazil against whatsapp.
there are lots of cases of this sort of tomfoolery "working"... in part or in whole. Lee's point is it's dumb to offload this problem on every ISP in the jurisdiction, AND it's also not going to really fix the problem if the application is accessible via 'vpn' services (tor, real-vpns, etc). it's just sort of dumb all the way around :(
Em 19/10/2017 13:49, Lee Howard escreveu:
On 10/17/17, 5:33 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Christopher Morrow" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
you know, the Sci-Hub folk could fix this themselves... with some
authentication requirements... and probably by just unplugging from the intertubes?
"Sci-Hub’s founder, has previously told The Scientist the site plans to ignore the lawsuit.” How would Sci-Hub consider this a “fix”?
What enforcement mechanism would the Court have against Sci-Hub?
The idea of making third parties (ISPs) incur costs (updating ACLs or poisoning DNS) to enforce the order is pretty bad, and doesn’t stop Tor access. Sorry I didn’t have a chance to file an amicus before the ruling tomorrow.
Lee
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA)
<mathews@hawaii.edu> wrote:
Judge Recommends Ruling to Block Internet Access to Sci-Hub
The American Chemical Society seeks a broad order that includes millions of dollars in damages and demands action from Internet service providers and search engines. By Diana Kwon | October 4, 2017
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50563/ title/Judge-Recommends-Ruling-to-Block-Internet-Access-to-Sci-Hub/ http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50361/ title/Publishers--Legal-Action-Advances-Against-Sci-Hub/
Well, We could also break that 200yo+ paradigm of having a paywall for what should pretty much be free. Like that media supply chain still forcing licensing per country... And yes $35USD can be a lot of money for people that are hungry for both food and knowledge. ----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 On 10/19/17 12:07, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:57 AM, João Butzke <lista-gter@tbonet.net.br> wrote:
it worked here in Brazil against whatsapp.
there are lots of cases of this sort of tomfoolery "working"... in part or in whole. Lee's point is it's dumb to offload this problem on every ISP in the jurisdiction, AND it's also not going to really fix the problem if the application is accessible via 'vpn' services (tor, real-vpns, etc).
it's just sort of dumb all the way around :(
Em 19/10/2017 13:49, Lee Howard escreveu:
On 10/17/17, 5:33 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Christopher Morrow" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
you know, the Sci-Hub folk could fix this themselves... with some
authentication requirements... and probably by just unplugging from the intertubes?
"Sci-Hub’s founder, has previously told The Scientist the site plans to ignore the lawsuit.” How would Sci-Hub consider this a “fix”?
What enforcement mechanism would the Court have against Sci-Hub?
The idea of making third parties (ISPs) incur costs (updating ACLs or poisoning DNS) to enforce the order is pretty bad, and doesn’t stop Tor access. Sorry I didn’t have a chance to file an amicus before the ruling tomorrow.
Lee
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA)
<mathews@hawaii.edu> wrote:
Judge Recommends Ruling to Block Internet Access to Sci-Hub
The American Chemical Society seeks a broad order that includes millions of dollars in damages and demands action from Internet service providers and search engines. By Diana Kwon | October 4, 2017
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50563/ title/Judge-Recommends-Ruling-to-Block-Internet-Access-to-Sci-Hub/ http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50361/ title/Publishers--Legal-Action-Advances-Against-Sci-Hub/
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