the crap mail flood and the nanog culture
you might think that with all the committees, boards, badges, ... that there was an actual operator in the nanog resume building circle who would actually do something useful about the crap mail flood now into its second day. randy
On 10/25/2015 17:22, Randy Bush wrote:
you might think that with all the committees, boards, badges, ... that there was an actual operator in the nanog resume building circle who would actually do something useful about the crap mail flood now into its second day.
I have been discarding it for more than two days! In response to "you might think", that would assume that there is a formal belief that abuse of the network (even revenue abuse) is bad. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
you might think that with all the committees, boards, badges, ... that there was an actual operator in the nanog resume building circle who would actually do something useful about the crap mail flood now into its second day.
I’ll certainly say this was frustrating for me. I got a fair amount via NANOG and a fair amount directly as well all with an easy pattern to mitigate. It took me until today to realize that the list was still working and did not dump me for rejecting all the messages at the SMTP layer. My understanding is that only one person has access to the mail server to put it in emergency mode or mitigate the damage. Perhaps someone can post the escalation policy for the list somewhere so it can be mitigated faster next time? - Jared
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
you might think that with all the committees, boards, badges, ... that there was an actual operator in the nanog resume building circle who would actually do something useful about the crap mail flood now into its second day.
I'd actually like to go as far as to say that the same can be said about certain hosting provider's abuse departments, and RBL operators too... Yet, if ACME Nuts & Bolts with a small VPS at some random hosting provider sends ONE spam message, their servers are shutdown almost no questions asked (never mind a good number of what, hundred thousands, over a period of days) -sigh- It's amazing how 'fair' the playing field on the Internet has become. -- Regards, Chris Knipe
The unequal treatment we see here is why, so many years ago, I fought and threatened to rhsbl .mail. We've built the walled garden anyway, and now we're damned for it. On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Chris Knipe <savage@savage.za.org> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
you might think that with all the committees, boards, badges, ... that there was an actual operator in the nanog resume building circle who would actually do something useful about the crap mail flood now into its second day.
I'd actually like to go as far as to say that the same can be said about certain hosting provider's abuse departments, and RBL operators too...
Yet, if ACME Nuts & Bolts with a small VPS at some random hosting provider sends ONE spam message, their servers are shutdown almost no questions asked (never mind a good number of what, hundred thousands, over a period of days) -sigh-
It's amazing how 'fair' the playing field on the Internet has become.
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Regards, Chris Knipe
On 10/25/15 15:22, Randy Bush wrote:
you might think that with all the committees, boards, badges, ... that there was an actual operator in the nanog resume building circle who would actually do something useful about the crap mail flood now into its second day.
Maybe a committee with authorization by the board has to create a task force to address the problem. ~Seth
On 10/26/15 12:30 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 10/25/15 15:22, Randy Bush wrote:
you might think that with all the committees, boards, badges, ... that there was an actual operator in the nanog resume building circle who would actually do something useful about the crap mail flood now into its second day.
Maybe a committee with authorization by the board has to create a task force to address the problem.
Need to get authorization to get authorization to seek out bids for a contractor to begin work on soliciting feedback on a proposed authorization to create a task force. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
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