Relative cost of ONT and UPS for FTTP
From what I had read in the past, the ONT/UPS represent a major portion of the costs to connect a home to an existing Flexnap FTTP system as
At recent hearings, I stuck my foot deep into my mouth (as I often do). So I am now tasked to find the relative cost of the ONT/UPS compared to the cost of the FTTP drop to the home (in a Flexnap environment). the drop itself is now dirt cheap to install with unskilled workforce (no need for laser splicing since flexnap is plug and play). I know that the Aussie NBN had considered ditching the UPS to greatly reduce the cost to reduce homes, so I have to hunt down those documents (which predate existing pro-copper govt). Does ayone have numbers for ONT/UPS or could point me to such ? I assume manpower to install the ONT/UPS in homes is a large part of the cost inside the home ? And is there any evidence that the actual drop to the home with Flexnap FTTP is cheaper than a drop using copper from the splice panel on pole to the home ? Any/all information would be helpful. (this is convince the regulator that an independent ISP who buys the ONT/UPS to be used by one of its customers relieves the incumbent telco from a major portion of the cost to connect a home, which, according to telcos, represent 1/3 of total cost of FTTP deployment.
Thanks to everyone who provided some valuable info in my query. based on a number of responses and some documents my buddy mr Google found for me, the cost for the drop to home including CPE ranges between $650 to $800. But most of those have full "bundle" deployments that include TV service.
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From: "Jean-Francois Mezei" <jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca>
Thanks to everyone who provided some valuable info in my query. based on a number of responses and some documents my buddy mr Google found for me, the cost for the drop to home including CPE ranges between $650 to $800. But most of those have full "bundle" deployments that include TV service.
I didn't realize that was what you were looking for; that's about the numbers I got 2 years ago for a 12,000 passing 100% deployment over a 3 sq mi city. There was a lot of good information in those threads if you're contemplating doing this from scratch; look for a couple threads started by me in late 2012; July or on, I think. Can't remember the titles, but they oughtta stick out. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
On 14-12-14 11:21, Jay Ashworth wrote:
I didn't realize that was what you were looking for; that's about the numbers I got 2 years ago for a 12,000 passing 100% deployment over a 3 sq mi city. There was a lot of good information in those threads if you're contemplating doing this from scratch;
This was part of a year long process to evaluate the future of wholesale access to last mile in Canada (independent ISPs using incumbent last mile), and in particular whether FTTP should be included in the regulation. Incumbents made arguments that the drop to the home represents 1/3 of the total FTTP investment, and I had to break that down to show that if ISPs pay for the CPE, it represents a significant portion of investment. (Incumbents argue that ISPs ride on their coat-tails and never share risk/investment, as well as the standard "we'll stop investing if you force wholesale" which is also used by AT&T/Verizon in USA. This hearing had enough spin to make anyone's head dizzy :-(
I can only speak on the building we have / are doing I don¹t know that I would say the ont represents 1/3 of the cost. The construction side of things can get fairly costly getting the plant to the point where you could just use opti taps. I¹m not going to say this is everywhere but with new wind loading regulations for poles and some cities trying to use our construction as a way to pay for there streets to get fixed, yes we have been asked to install wheel chair accessible sidewalks and re pave an entire block when we wanted to bore 100 ft on a block that spanned 1000ft and 4 lanes wide. That killed that deal. We have also had the pleasure of working with cities and counties that work with us to get the permits approved which has always been a nice treat. I don¹t think there is a formula every situation can be extremely different. Just my 2 cents. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / carlos@race.com / http://www.race.comI d On 12/14/14, 11:40 AM, "Jean-Francois Mezei" <jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote:
On 14-12-14 11:21, Jay Ashworth wrote:
I didn't realize that was what you were looking for; that's about the numbers I got 2 years ago for a 12,000 passing 100% deployment over a 3 sq mi city. There was a lot of good information in those threads if you're contemplating doing this from scratch;
This was part of a year long process to evaluate the future of wholesale access to last mile in Canada (independent ISPs using incumbent last mile), and in particular whether FTTP should be included in the regulation.
Incumbents made arguments that the drop to the home represents 1/3 of the total FTTP investment, and I had to break that down to show that if ISPs pay for the CPE, it represents a significant portion of investment. (Incumbents argue that ISPs ride on their coat-tails and never share risk/investment, as well as the standard "we'll stop investing if you force wholesale" which is also used by AT&T/Verizon in USA.
This hearing had enough spin to make anyone's head dizzy :-(
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