Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
At 07:32 PM 7/13/2014, Jima wrote:
I confess I might be splitting hairs, but what Internet exchange exists at 1850 Pearl Street? The best I can ascertain is that it's a Level3 datacenter, which doesn't seem (to me) to be the same thing.
It's a well known regional Internet exchange point in a building which I believe is owned by Level3. It also has huge amounts of fiber cross-connecting it to 910 15th Street, a block from the Denver Convention Center, so that a presence at one is essentially equivalent to a presence at the other. But Netflix does not have a presence at either one. --Brett Glass
It's a well known regional Internet exchange point in a building which I believe is owned by Level3. It also has huge amounts of fiber cross-connecting it to 910 15th Street, a block from the Denver Convention Center, so that a presence at one is essentially equivalent to a presence at the other.
how much traffic, how much is eyeball, and who has volunteered to give netflix cheap transit to stuff the ache? randy
We've never been asked to POP that location. If I can, I will, just as my team has POPed 15+ other locations this year alone. Brett doesn't seem interested in finding a solution. He's sent dozens of harassing emails demanding payment and nothing else. I've offered to speak to him directly but he hasn't responded, so I have to imagine he's just here for the attention. -Dave On Sunday, July 13, 2014, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','randy@psg.com');>> wrote:
It's a well known regional Internet exchange point in a building which I believe is owned by Level3. It also has huge amounts of fiber cross-connecting it to 910 15th Street, a block from the Denver Convention Center, so that a presence at one is essentially equivalent to a presence at the other.
how much traffic, how much is eyeball, and who has volunteered to give netflix cheap transit to stuff the ache?
randy
We've never been asked to POP that location.
what location? i gobbled and found the rocky mtn ix, but it seems to be in coresite and defunct. there is some "any2" exchange claiming to be the second largest on the left coast, which is a crock. is there actually a significant local exchange in the denver area, and not some marketing department with an mpls tunnel? i am having a hard time finding it, web site, traffic, ts&cs, ... you know, like <https://www.seattleix.net/>, the dinky 250g one up in seattle to which i am used.
Brett doesn't seem interested in finding a solution.
welcome to nanog. the list is a test of one's ability to find the substance amidst the flack, this oft-repeated discussion being notable. i wonder what we get if we pass the test. randy
On 2014-07-13 20:51, Randy Bush wrote:
We've never been asked to POP that location.
what location? i gobbled and found the rocky mtn ix, but it seems to be in coresite and defunct. there is some "any2" exchange claiming to be the second largest on the left coast, which is a crock.
is there actually a significant local exchange in the denver area, and not some marketing department with an mpls tunnel? i am having a hard time finding it, web site, traffic, ts&cs, ... you know, like <https://www.seattleix.net/>, the dinky 250g one up in seattle to which i am used.
Randy, As best as I've been able to find: https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=254 https://www.peeringdb.com/private/facility_view.php?id=389 LARIAT is reportedly connected to: https://www.peeringdb.com/private/facility_view.php?id=1221 and Netflix appears to be in: https://www.peeringdb.com/private/facility_view.php?id=1875 Beyond that, I have no idea -- this is the 350-mile view. Jima
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
We've never been asked to POP that location.
what location? i gobbled and found the rocky mtn ix, but it seems to be in coresite and defunct. there is some "any2" exchange claiming to be the second largest on the left coast, which is a crock.
is there actually a significant local exchange in the denver area, and not some marketing department with an mpls tunnel? i am having a hard time finding it, web site, traffic, ts&cs, ... you know, like <https://www.seattleix.net/>, the dinky 250g one up in seattle to which i am used.
It's now called "Any2 Denver": http://www.coresite.com/solutions/interconnection/Peering-Exchanges/ANY2/ANY... http://www.coresite.com/locations/denver http://www.coresite.com/resources/datasheet-facilities-de1-rev8 We're on it, and it's finally doing enough traffic to warrant a 10G port now. But you're right, it's nowhere in the same league as its bigger cousins. Annoyingly enough, I can't find a street address for it anywhere among their literature. :(
Brett doesn't seem interested in finding a solution.
welcome to nanog. the list is a test of one's ability to find the substance amidst the flack, this oft-repeated discussion being notable. i wonder what we get if we pass the test.
Awww...I got a rock. :(
randy
Matt (with apologies to Charles Schultz)
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From: "Matthew Petach" <mpetach@netflight.com>
It's now called "Any2 Denver":
Annoyingly enough, I can't find a street address for it anywhere among their literature. :(
It's in a closet in the basement of a parking garage. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:25:22AM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
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From: "Matthew Petach" <mpetach@netflight.com>
It's now called "Any2 Denver":
Annoyingly enough, I can't find a street address for it anywhere among their literature. :(
It's in a closet in the basement of a parking garage.
I assume that there's a leopard involved there somewhere? - Matt -- If Alan Turing was alive today, the homosexuality would be OK but he'd be in trouble for codebreaking. -- Martin Bacon
On 15/07/14 10:39, Matt Palmer wrote:
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:25:22AM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Petach" <mpetach@netflight.com>
It's now called "Any2 Denver":
Annoyingly enough, I can't find a street address for it anywhere among their literature. :(
It's in a closet in the basement of a parking garage.
I assume that there's a leopard involved there somewhere?
And a DELNI.
We inquired about space & power in the location that Brett mentions (Level3) as well as the Coresite location. We were told there was no power to be had in either building, hence we went for the third option. We have transport options available back to both should we need it. That said, that shows what a messed up market Denver is - there is definitely pent up demand but if Netflix can't even get space and power there's clearly none left. For years we were promised that Coresite was building a giant new campus, but they seem to have all but abandoned it. -Dave On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
We've never been asked to POP that location.
what location? i gobbled and found the rocky mtn ix, but it seems to be in coresite and defunct. there is some "any2" exchange claiming to be the second largest on the left coast, which is a crock.
is there actually a significant local exchange in the denver area, and not some marketing department with an mpls tunnel? i am having a hard time finding it, web site, traffic, ts&cs, ... you know, like <https://www.seattleix.net/>, the dinky 250g one up in seattle to which i am used.
Brett doesn't seem interested in finding a solution.
welcome to nanog. the list is a test of one's ability to find the substance amidst the flack, this oft-repeated discussion being notable. i wonder what we get if we pass the test.
randy
On 2014-07-14 09:48, Dave Temkin wrote:
We inquired about space & power in the location that Brett mentions (Level3) as well as the Coresite location. We were told there was no power to be had in either building, hence we went for the third option. We have transport options available back to both should we need it.
That said, that shows what a messed up market Denver is - there is definitely pent up demand but if Netflix can't even get space and power there's clearly none left. For years we were promised that Coresite was building a giant new campus, but they seem to have all but abandoned it.
Dave, Thank you for clarifying what seemed, at a distance, to be a rather strange decision. That assessment also explains away some routing oddities I've observed over the years. Jima
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