Programmable SFP+ Transcievers
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies? I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong.
On Jan 18, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong.
Menara also makes a tunable XFP+ which supports FEC and OTN framing. http://menaranet.com/ -Daniel
http://precisionot.com/ I got to know about them at a MEF event and their transceiver line seems to be very flexible. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Programmable SFP+ Transcievers What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies? I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong. ________________________________ El contenido del presente correo electrónico es de carácter confidencial, privado y propiedad de AXTEL, S.A.B. de C.V., por lo que en caso de haber recibido el presente por error, o de no ser el destinatario del mismo, por favor hágalo saber al remitente, e igualmente elimine y no almacene en forma alguna la información aquí contenida. Así mismo, el contenido del presente correo no genera obligación alguna a cargo de AXTEL, S.A.B. de C.V., de cualquiera de sus subsidiarias o del remitente.
We have purchased a lot through the Solid-Optics US team. Very happy with their pricing, reliability and support. We have their multi-fiber tool and have reprogrammed optics as needed to go between MFG equipment. I can only recommend that you give them a try. Sincerely, Nick Ellermann – CTO & VP Cloud Services BroadAspect E: nellermann@broadaspect.com P: 703-297-4639 F: 703-996-4443 THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Programmable SFP+ Transcievers What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies? I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong.
Luma Optics in California has re-progammable transceivers along with a coding platform called CLOUDCODE. In addition to re-programming, the tool can also be used for DWDM tuning. Eric Luma Optics On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and
http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong.
-- Eric Litvin President eric@lumaoptics.net Direct: (650)440-4382 Mobile:(*650)996-7270* Fax: (650) 618-1870
On Monday, 18 January, 2016 19:02, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> said:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
Satisfied customer of Flexoptix, largely for pre-coded transceivers, although my team have used their programmer in anger and are happy with it. No issues to date with C or J kit refusing to believe in the resulting transceivers - and obviously at a fraction of the price of blessed optics. Regards, Tim.
The only downside I see to Flexoptix is that their pricing for their SFPs, and you must use their SFPs, are much more expensive than already programmed SFP's from low cost providers. For example, a regualr 10GBASE-LR SFP+ 1310nm 10km from Fiberstore is $34 ( http://www.fs.com/10gbase-lr-sfp-1310nm-10km-dom-transceiver-p-11591.html). The same type of SFP+ from Flexoptics is $136.80 https://www.flexoptix.net/en/produkte/transceiver/sfp-plus-lr-transceiver-10... I know there should be a littler premium for using FlexOptics are you can program on your own, but not 4X the amount. How does Solid Optics compare on pricing? They don't list them on their website. On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:02 AM, tim@pelican.org <tim@pelican.org> wrote:
On Monday, 18 January, 2016 19:02, "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> said:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and
http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht...
Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
Satisfied customer of Flexoptix, largely for pre-coded transceivers, although my team have used their programmer in anger and are happy with it. No issues to date with C or J kit refusing to believe in the resulting transceivers - and obviously at a fraction of the price of blessed optics.
Regards, Tim.
I don't know the US pricing ... but in the EU get it for less :). I buy hundreds of optics per year from them - since 18 months they are our exclusive partner for optic deliveries. I've to work with Juniper, Extreme Networks, Cisco, Brocade, Fortinet, Radware and HP. Whatever you need: they make it happen :). Best regards Jürgen Jaritsch Head of Network & Infrastructure ANEXIA Internetdienstleistungs GmbH Telefon: +43-5-0556-300 Telefax: +43-5-0556-500 E-Mail: JJaritsch@anexia-it.com Web: http://www.anexia-it.com Anschrift Hauptsitz Klagenfurt: Feldkirchnerstraße 140, 9020 Klagenfurt Geschäftsführer: Alexander Windbichler Firmenbuch: FN 289918a | Gerichtsstand: Klagenfurt | UID-Nummer: AT U63216601 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] Im Auftrag von Denis Fondras Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Jänner 2016 20:11 An: nanog@nanog.org Betreff: Re: Programmable SFP+ Transcievers
How does Solid Optics compare on pricing? They don't list them on their website.
Last time I checked, it was roughly US$90 for a SFP-10G-LR+-SO.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong.
You're right, both companies programmers only work with their own transceiver. We've some transceivers from FlexOptix including the FlexBoxv3. We never had a problem with them. They have very good engineers.
From the pricing SolidOptics list prices are better than FlexOptics, but just talk to them and see if they can meet your pricing requirements. In our case we ended up with FlexOptix but we're only ordering there when we need something urgent (same/next day). Otherwise we're buying directly from China (Fiberstore). Neither Solid Optics or FlexOptix could beat their prices. We're buying all the expensive stuff stuff and larger quantities from them. So far we never had a problem with them either. After reaching a sales volume of 30000 USD they will give you a programmer for their transceivers too.
Best Regards, Freddy
Freddy, So are you saying if you order enough from Fiberstore.com they will give you a programmer? That seems like the best solution. On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:03 AM, Frederik Kriewitz <frederik@kriewitz.eu> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and
Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program
http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... them,
but I could be wrong.
You're right, both companies programmers only work with their own transceiver. We've some transceivers from FlexOptix including the FlexBoxv3. We never had a problem with them. They have very good engineers. From the pricing SolidOptics list prices are better than FlexOptics, but just talk to them and see if they can meet your pricing requirements. In our case we ended up with FlexOptix but we're only ordering there when we need something urgent (same/next day). Otherwise we're buying directly from China (Fiberstore). Neither Solid Optics or FlexOptix could beat their prices. We're buying all the expensive stuff stuff and larger quantities from them. So far we never had a problem with them either. After reaching a sales volume of 30000 USD they will give you a programmer for their transceivers too.
Best Regards, Freddy
https://www.flexoptix.net/en/ will give you a programmer on your first order if you post something about it on social media. They also send some candy with every order :) I’ve had very good luck with Flexoptics for SFP, SFP+ & XFP, Juniper, Cisco, HP all work perfectly. — Matthew Crocker President - Crocker Communications, Inc. Managing Partner - Crocker Telecommunications, LLC E: matthew@corp.crocker.com E: matthew@crocker.com
On Jan 22, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Freddy,
So are you saying if you order enough from Fiberstore.com they will give you a programmer? That seems like the best solution.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:03 AM, Frederik Kriewitz <frederik@kriewitz.eu> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and
Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program
http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... them,
but I could be wrong.
You're right, both companies programmers only work with their own transceiver. We've some transceivers from FlexOptix including the FlexBoxv3. We never had a problem with them. They have very good engineers. From the pricing SolidOptics list prices are better than FlexOptics, but just talk to them and see if they can meet your pricing requirements. In our case we ended up with FlexOptix but we're only ordering there when we need something urgent (same/next day). Otherwise we're buying directly from China (Fiberstore). Neither Solid Optics or FlexOptix could beat their prices. We're buying all the expensive stuff stuff and larger quantities from them. So far we never had a problem with them either. After reaching a sales volume of 30000 USD they will give you a programmer for their transceivers too.
Best Regards, Freddy
I haven’t had to actually reprogram any, but have a bunch of flexoptics modules preprogrammed for Arista which have been working great. Very easy people to deal with, and yes, candy. :> Ashley Kitto Nominum
On Jan 22, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Matthew Crocker <matthew@corp.crocker.com> wrote:
https://www.flexoptix.net/en/ will give you a programmer on your first order if you post something about it on social media. They also send some candy with every order :)
I’ve had very good luck with Flexoptics for SFP, SFP+ & XFP, Juniper, Cisco, HP all work perfectly.
—
Matthew Crocker President - Crocker Communications, Inc. Managing Partner - Crocker Telecommunications, LLC E: matthew@corp.crocker.com E: matthew@crocker.com
On Jan 22, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Freddy,
So are you saying if you order enough from Fiberstore.com they will give you a programmer? That seems like the best solution.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:03 AM, Frederik Kriewitz <frederik@kriewitz.eu> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and
Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program
http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... them,
but I could be wrong.
You're right, both companies programmers only work with their own transceiver. We've some transceivers from FlexOptix including the FlexBoxv3. We never had a problem with them. They have very good engineers. From the pricing SolidOptics list prices are better than FlexOptics, but just talk to them and see if they can meet your pricing requirements. In our case we ended up with FlexOptix but we're only ordering there when we need something urgent (same/next day). Otherwise we're buying directly from China (Fiberstore). Neither Solid Optics or FlexOptix could beat their prices. We're buying all the expensive stuff stuff and larger quantities from them. So far we never had a problem with them either. After reaching a sales volume of 30000 USD they will give you a programmer for their transceivers too.
Best Regards, Freddy
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Freddy,
So are you saying if you order enough from Fiberstore.com they will give you a programmer? That seems like the best solution.
Yes, the magic number seems to be 30000 USD for fiberstore. I looked into this compatibility magic some time ago. It's all based on a simple I²C EEPROM. Which is read and values like vendor/product ID is compared to check compatibility. Some vendors apparently spend some extra effort making their optics incompatible. E.g. HP/3COM protect their 10G SFP+ modules with proprietary validation algorithms which require a micro controller to emulate it (a basic EEPROM is not enough). To prevent EEPROM modifications it's possible to set a password/code sequence for write access. Apparently that's what e.g. flexOptix/solid optics are doing to implement their own kind of vendor lock-in. Their programmer only can program their own optics and their optics can be only programmed by their programmer. If you buy optics from china they are either not password protected at all or they will provide you with the password if you ask for it so you can use any generic programmer. If you prefer super cheap optics over easy re-programming usability have a look at the following generic EEPROM programmers (I've no experience with any of these): http://sfptotal.com/ https://dimiks.com/en/programmers http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/tinout2018/product-detailUvTmnWbPvLVh/... http://www.optics-home.com/pro_details.asp?id=105 http://www.reveltronics.com/en/shop/52/12/chip-programmers/accessories-and-a... Or if you prefer the do-it-yourself approach using a Raspberry Pi: http://eoinpk.blogspot.com/2014/05/raspberry-pi-and-programming-eeproms-on.h... If someone has time to start a nice open source/community supported generic programmer tool+database which provides the same usability as e.g. FlexOptix we most likely would support it.
I've done small runs of boards that can do this and also do the OEO part. Let me know off list if you are interested. Jared Mauch
On Jan 25, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Frederik Kriewitz <frederik@kriewitz.eu> wrote:
Or if you prefer the do-it-yourself approach using a Raspberry Pi: http://eoinpk.blogspot.com/2014/05/raspberry-pi-and-programming-eeproms-on.h...
If someone has time to start a nice open source/community supported generic programmer tool+database which provides the same usability as e.g. FlexOptix we most likely would support it.
On Jan 18, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong.
Another choice out there as well. I’ve not yet tried their SmartCoder, but have been using their transceivers for years. They have been great. http://integraoptics.com/SmartCoder.html -- Robert inoc.net!rblayzor XMPP: rblayzor.AT.inoc.net PGP Key: 78BEDCE1 @ pgp.mit.edu
Flexopitix allows 3rd party vendor rebranding by buying credits for the branding box/account. On 25/01/16 16:49, Robert Blayzor via NANOG wrote:
On Jan 18, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What options are out there for re-programmable SFP and SFP+ transceivers? So far I have found both https://www.flexoptix.net/en/flexbox-v3-transceiver-programmer.html and http://solid-optics.com/tools/multi-fiber-tool/so-multi-fiber-tool-id1768.ht... Is there anything else out there? Any opinions on these two companies?
I believe they both require you to use their SFPs in order to program them, but I could be wrong.
Another choice out there as well. I’ve not yet tried their SmartCoder, but have been using their transceivers for years. They have been great.
http://integraoptics.com/SmartCoder.html
-- Robert inoc.net!rblayzor XMPP: rblayzor.AT.inoc.net PGP Key: 78BEDCE1 @ pgp.mit.edu
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On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Jeroen Wunnink <jeroen.wunnink@hibernianetworks.com> wrote:
Flexopitix allows 3rd party vendor rebranding by buying credits for the branding box/account.
AFAIK you have to buy their transceivers, then you can use their FlexBox to change the programming of the transceivers to be compatible with $vendor. In the past you had to buy credits or the Flatrate package in order to reprogram their transceivers but at the beginning of the year they announced "Unlimited reprogramming with your FLEXBOX in 2016". So for at least this year reprogramming is free. But AFAIK you can't easily reprogram third party transceivers (e.g. from fiberstore). I guess if you've an emergency and contact them they could help you to reprogram pretty much any transceiver, but that would be an exception. Best Regards, Freddy
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