Hi, Is anyone aware of a voip-focused group similar to nanog? Us voip pukes have to deal with the issues of allocation, routing, and management of phone numbers as well as networks, and I have not found a voice operators' group similar to this network operators' group. Thanks, David
On May 28, 2009, at 9:03 PM, david hiers wrote:
Is anyone aware of a voip-focused group similar to nanog?
VOIPSA are focused on VoIP, mainly around security: <http://www.voipsa.org/> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com> Unfortunately, inefficiency scales really well. -- Kevin Lawton
david hiers wrote:
Hi, Is anyone aware of a voip-focused group similar to nanog? Us voip pukes have to deal with the issues of allocation, routing, and management of phone numbers as well as networks, and I have not found a voice operators' group similar to this network operators' group.
Thanks,
David
Would kind of be difficult to maintain such a group. Which level of VoIP are you talking about, the carrier end, the engineer end. Think about that for a moment. For the most part, for issues regarding connectivity, VoIP is no different than email is. Networks will be networks, VoIP will go down, life goes on. Resolution can be found either directly through your vendor/carrier or you can get a best guesstimate of an outage from the outages list or someone here shooting off a "Are Cogent and Level3 chest thumping again?" message. On the other hand, I don't know that I'd want to see a multitude of messages from someone saying "My trixbox dialplan doesn't work!" or, (broken english purposely inserted) "Why my Cisco Call Manager is tell me to partition! I does not want to format my disk! Please is you help!" There are lists out there but each has its pros and cons. VoIPSA (VoIP Security) Cisco VoIP - for Cisco related telephony, Digium mailing lists, etc. Something akin to NANOG for VoIP would quickly become filled with "WTH is he/she saying" like messages. Sadly, most of my cisco-voip and asterisk-users mail has been ending up in the trash via filter. I wonder if my email client knows something I don't. -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett 227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA 4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5CCD6B5E
On May 28, 2009, at 10:16 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:
david hiers wrote:
Hi, Is anyone aware of a voip-focused group similar to nanog? Us voip pukes have to deal with the issues of allocation, routing, and management of phone numbers as well as networks, and I have not found a voice operators' group similar to this network operators' group.
Thanks,
David
On the other hand, I don't know that I'd want to see a multitude of messages from someone saying "My trixbox dialplan doesn't work!" or, (broken english purposely inserted) "Why my Cisco Call Manager is tell me to partition!
Actually, there is a quite active cisco-voip list over on puck that discusses exactly the CM issues you refer to. (I diverted everyone to that list to keep it off c-nsp and it seems to have grown since). - Jared http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Jared Mauch wrote:
On May 28, 2009, at 10:16 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:
david hiers wrote:
Hi, Is anyone aware of a voip-focused group similar to nanog? Us voip pukes have to deal with the issues of allocation, routing, and management of phone numbers as well as networks, and I have not found a voice operators' group similar to this network operators' group.
Thanks,
David
On the other hand, I don't know that I'd want to see a multitude of messages from someone saying "My trixbox dialplan doesn't work!" or, (broken english purposely inserted) "Why my Cisco Call Manager is tell me to partition!
Actually, there is a quite active cisco-voip list over on puck that discusses exactly the CM issues you refer to. (I diverted everyone to that list to keep it off c-nsp and it seems to have grown since).
- Jared
(removed cc's to avoid sending dupes) Agreed, I browse through some of the stuff there and indeed it works for cisco telephony matters. Cisco staff has provided some really good guidance on matters there, as have Digium staffers for Asterisk's mailing list. But I can't really envision an "all inclusive" VoIP list with regards to the carrier end, equipment end, programming end, etc. Heaven knows I would have like to discuss Nortel and Avaya matters countless times but then those conversations would have actually ended up shifting towards SIP in which to a degree, they wouldn't have even had anything to do with the vendors at all. So I view it as a tough call. Anyhow, perhaps links should be included: http://voipsa.org/VOIPSEC/ (VoIPSA - VoIP Security related) http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip (Cisco VoIP related) http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users (Asterisk Users) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sip-config (SIP Config (mainly spam now)) http://sipforum.org/pipermail/discussion/index.html (SIP forum) -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett 227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA 4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5CCD6B5E
One more: isp-voiceoverip (http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-voiceoverip/resources/). Pretty quiet, though. Frank -----Original Message----- From: J. Oquendo [mailto:sil@infiltrated.net] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:34 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: navog? Jared Mauch wrote:
On May 28, 2009, at 10:16 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:
david hiers wrote:
Hi, Is anyone aware of a voip-focused group similar to nanog? Us voip pukes have to deal with the issues of allocation, routing, and management of phone numbers as well as networks, and I have not found a voice operators' group similar to this network operators' group.
Thanks,
David
On the other hand, I don't know that I'd want to see a multitude of messages from someone saying "My trixbox dialplan doesn't work!" or, (broken english purposely inserted) "Why my Cisco Call Manager is tell me to partition!
Actually, there is a quite active cisco-voip list over on puck that discusses exactly the CM issues you refer to. (I diverted everyone to that list to keep it off c-nsp and it seems to have grown since).
- Jared
(removed cc's to avoid sending dupes) Agreed, I browse through some of the stuff there and indeed it works for cisco telephony matters. Cisco staff has provided some really good guidance on matters there, as have Digium staffers for Asterisk's mailing list. But I can't really envision an "all inclusive" VoIP list with regards to the carrier end, equipment end, programming end, etc. Heaven knows I would have like to discuss Nortel and Avaya matters countless times but then those conversations would have actually ended up shifting towards SIP in which to a degree, they wouldn't have even had anything to do with the vendors at all. So I view it as a tough call. Anyhow, perhaps links should be included: http://voipsa.org/VOIPSEC/ (VoIPSA - VoIP Security related) http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip (Cisco VoIP related) http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users (Asterisk Users) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sip-config (SIP Config (mainly spam now)) http://sipforum.org/pipermail/discussion/index.html (SIP forum) -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett 227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA 4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5CCD6B5E
VoIP related issues is one of the reason I lurk here. On carrier routing side voice (including VoIP) is still a closed network. The group has given references for vendor oriented the efforts of the i3forum http://www.i3forum.org/ John Todd has a list called freenum http://www.freenum.org/ which may proof useful. IPTELs http://www.iptel.org/ SER group is a good place for a lot of discussion and you should look at the diverging links at OpenSER. Everything else is someone closed. GSMA IPX, ENUM, etc. If you have specific groups you are looking to talk to I have some further references. And you can contact me directly. Kind Regards, carl On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk@iname.com> wrote:
One more: isp-voiceoverip (http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-voiceoverip/resources/). Pretty quiet, though.
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: J. Oquendo [mailto:sil@infiltrated.net] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:34 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: navog?
Jared Mauch wrote:
On May 28, 2009, at 10:16 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:
david hiers wrote:
Hi, Is anyone aware of a voip-focused group similar to nanog? Us voip pukes have to deal with the issues of allocation, routing, and management of phone numbers as well as networks, and I have not found a voice operators' group similar to this network operators' group.
Thanks,
David
On the other hand, I don't know that I'd want to see a multitude of messages from someone saying "My trixbox dialplan doesn't work!" or, (broken english purposely inserted) "Why my Cisco Call Manager is tell me to partition!
Actually, there is a quite active cisco-voip list over on puck that discusses exactly the CM issues you refer to. (I diverted everyone to that list to keep it off c-nsp and it seems to have grown since).
- Jared
(removed cc's to avoid sending dupes)
Agreed, I browse through some of the stuff there and indeed it works for cisco telephony matters. Cisco staff has provided some really good guidance on matters there, as have Digium staffers for Asterisk's mailing list. But I can't really envision an "all inclusive" VoIP list with regards to the carrier end, equipment end, programming end, etc. Heaven knows I would have like to discuss Nortel and Avaya matters countless times but then those conversations would have actually ended up shifting towards SIP in which to a degree, they wouldn't have even had anything to do with the vendors at all. So I view it as a tough call.
Anyhow, perhaps links should be included:
http://voipsa.org/VOIPSEC/ (VoIPSA - VoIP Security related) http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip (Cisco VoIP related) http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users (Asterisk Users) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sip-config (SIP Config (mainly spam now)) http://sipforum.org/pipermail/discussion/index.html (SIP forum)
-- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP
"It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett
227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA 4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5CCD6B5E
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