Does Verizon have IPv6 on their LTE network everywhere or is it limited to specific regions? I ask because I have a Verizon LTE iPad just upgraded to iOS6 (which supposedly added this capability), but it's not getting an IPv6 address on the LTE interface. Or does Verizon now need to authorize these newly capable devices as IPv6-able? ~Seth
My understanding, and experience (albeit with Android), is that all VZW LTE is IPv6-capable. I'd love to hear if Apple or VZW is at fault here, or if something weird is happening ... /TJ On Sep 20, 2012 8:28 PM, "Seth Mattinen" <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
Does Verizon have IPv6 on their LTE network everywhere or is it limited to specific regions? I ask because I have a Verizon LTE iPad just upgraded to iOS6 (which supposedly added this capability), but it's not getting an IPv6 address on the LTE interface. Or does Verizon now need to authorize these newly capable devices as IPv6-able?
~Seth
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, TJ wrote:
My understanding, and experience (albeit with Android), is that all VZW LTE is IPv6-capable.
I'd love to hear if Apple or VZW is at fault here, or if something weird is happening ...
I don't know about Apple devices on VZW, but my Android phone definitely has IPv6 connectivity on VZW 4G LTE in Pittsburgh. jms
Justin M. Streiner On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, TJ wrote:
My understanding, and experience (albeit with Android), is that all VZW LTE is IPv6-capable.
I'd love to hear if Apple or VZW is at fault here, or if something weird is happening ...
I don't know about Apple devices on VZW, but my Android phone definitely has IPv6 connectivity on VZW 4G LTE in Pittsburgh.
Same in the DC Metro area. My RAZR is all v6 all the time on LTE. Jamie
I'm also curious about this. Jared Mauch On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
Does Verizon have IPv6 on their LTE network everywhere or is it limited to specific regions? I ask because I have a Verizon LTE iPad just upgraded to iOS6 (which supposedly added this capability), but it's not getting an IPv6 address on the LTE interface. Or does Verizon now need to authorize these newly capable devices as IPv6-able?
~Seth
On Sep 20, 2012 5:27 PM, "Seth Mattinen" <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
Does Verizon have IPv6 on their LTE network everywhere or is it limited to specific regions? I ask because I have a Verizon LTE iPad just upgraded to iOS6 (which supposedly added this capability), but it's not getting an IPv6 address on the LTE interface. Or does Verizon now need to authorize these newly capable devices as IPv6-able?
~Seth
Verizon has ipv6 everywhere they have LTE. Verizon also requires it on all their LTE devices that they sell. Your problem is likely with Apple, they have not yet supported ipv6 on the cellular interface afaik. CB
On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012 5:27 PM, "Seth Mattinen" <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
Does Verizon have IPv6 on their LTE network everywhere or is it limited to specific regions? I ask because I have a Verizon LTE iPad just upgraded to iOS6 (which supposedly added this capability), but it's not getting an IPv6 address on the LTE interface. Or does Verizon now need to authorize these newly capable devices as IPv6-able?
~Seth
Verizon has ipv6 everywhere they have LTE. Verizon also requires it on all their LTE devices that they sell.
Your problem is likely with Apple, they have not yet supported ipv6 on the cellular interface afaik.
Looks to work. -- snip-- Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 70.194.10.15 Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be 2600:1007:b010:a057:d91a:7d40:9871:f1a3 The World IPv6 Launch day is June 6th, 2012. Good news! Your current browser, on this computer and at this location, are expected to keep working after the Launch. [more info] Congratulations! You appear to have both IPv4 and IPv6 Internet working. If a publisher publishes to IPv6, your browser will connect using IPv6. Note: Your browser appears to prefer IPv4 over IPv6 when given the choice. This may in the future affect the accuracy of sites who guess at your location. Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have IPv6 Internet access. Your readiness scores 10/10 for your IPv4 stability and readiness, when publishers offer both IPv4 and IPv6 10/10 for your IPv6 stability and readiness, when publishers are forced to go IPv6 only Click to see test data (Updated server side IPv6 readiness stats)
On 9/20/12 5:39 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
Your problem is likely with Apple, they have not yet supported ipv6 on the cellular interface afaik.
Well, that's true under iOS 5, but iOS 6 released yesterday (and assuming you have a third gen iPad with LTE) was supposed to correct that. It runs IPv6 like a champ on wifi but I was excited to install the update to finally have my first IPv6 connection that wasn't through my AS. ~Seth
Oh... It works... Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 70.194.10.15 Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be 2600:1007:b010:a057:d91a:7d40:9871:f1a3 10/11 tests run On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
Does Verizon have IPv6 on their LTE network everywhere or is it limited to specific regions? I ask because I have a Verizon LTE iPad just upgraded to iOS6 (which supposedly added this capability), but it's not getting an IPv6 address on the LTE interface. Or does Verizon now need to authorize these newly capable devices as IPv6-able?
~Seth
On Sep 20, 2012 5:45 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
Oh... It works...
Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 70.194.10.15
Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be
2600:1007:b010:a057:d91a:7d40:9871:f1a3
10/11 tests run
Cool! That is from an ipad on vzw LTE? Ios6? CB
On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
Does Verizon have IPv6 on their LTE network everywhere or is it limited to specific regions? I ask because I have a Verizon LTE iPad just upgraded to iOS6 (which supposedly added this capability), but it's not getting an IPv6 address on the LTE interface. Or does Verizon now need to authorize these newly capable devices as IPv6-able?
~Seth
On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012 5:45 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
Oh... It works...
Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 70.194.10.15
Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be 2600:1007:b010:a057:d91a:7d40:9871:f1a3
10/11 tests run
Cool!
That is from an ipad on vzw LTE? Ios6?
Yes... Please don't hack or ddos it :-) I'm guessing there will be a lot of new ipv6 traffic from LTE handsets on vzw tomorrow. Should be interesting if apple turned on their Phobos domains for App Store as v6 via akamai. I would expect a lot of traffic to shift then. - Jared
thank god for unlimited 4g on vz :) hold onto it while you can they are trying hard to kill it! On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012 5:45 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
Oh... It works...
Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 70.194.10.15
Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be
2600:1007:b010:a057:d91a:7d40:9871:f1a3
10/11 tests run
Cool!
That is from an ipad on vzw LTE? Ios6?
Yes...
Please don't hack or ddos it :-)
I'm guessing there will be a lot of new ipv6 traffic from LTE handsets on vzw tomorrow.
Should be interesting if apple turned on their Phobos domains for App Store as v6 via akamai. I would expect a lot of traffic to shift then.
- Jared
"Please don't hack or ddos it :-) " Unfortunately, while you do get an ipv6 address, mobile terminated data doesn't work, so you don't have to worry about this. It is firewalled by Verizon. I actually tried to set up a VPN on a LTE data card using the ipv6 address since the IPV4 one is behind carrier grade NAT. I found out the hard way that was a no-go, either. One more tip: IPv6 will work over the legacy 3g network. Don't ask me much about it, but it "tunnels" it using eHRPD to the same IP/IPv6 headend to enable seamless EVDO/LTE handover. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012 5:45 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
Oh... It works...
Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 70.194.10.15
Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be
2600:1007:b010:a057:d91a:7d40:9871:f1a3
10/11 tests run
Cool!
That is from an ipad on vzw LTE? Ios6?
Yes...
Please don't hack or ddos it :-)
I'm guessing there will be a lot of new ipv6 traffic from LTE handsets on vzw tomorrow.
Should be interesting if apple turned on their Phobos domains for App Store as v6 via akamai. I would expect a lot of traffic to shift then.
- Jared
* PC
One more tip: IPv6 will work over the legacy 3g network. Don't ask me much about it, but it "tunnels" it using eHRPD to the same IP/IPv6 headend to enable seamless EVDO/LTE handover.
Interesting. Does this happens only if you start out in LTE coverage and then roam onto EV-DO, or does IPv6 work if you connect to the network outside of LTE coverage too? I wonder if there will be similar magic provided for UMTS/LTE networks.. -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012, Tore Anderson wrote:
I wonder if there will be similar magic provided for UMTS/LTE networks..
I doubt it. The path there should be to upgrade GSM/UMTS network to release 9 and support v4v6 pdp context and then you don't need any magic at all (as far as I can tell). -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM, PC <paul4004@gmail.com> wrote:
"Please don't hack or ddos it :-) "
Unfortunately, while you do get an ipv6 address, mobile terminated data doesn't work, so you don't have to worry about this. It is firewalled by Verizon.
T-Mobile USA allows mobile terminated data on IPv6 http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/01/29/t-mobile-usa-testing-ipv6-on-select-... CB
I actually tried to set up a VPN on a LTE data card using the ipv6 address since the IPV4 one is behind carrier grade NAT. I found out the hard way that was a no-go, either.
One more tip: IPv6 will work over the legacy 3g network. Don't ask me much about it, but it "tunnels" it using eHRPD to the same IP/IPv6 headend to enable seamless EVDO/LTE handover.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2012 5:45 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
Oh... It works...
Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 70.194.10.15
Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be 2600:1007:b010:a057:d91a:7d40:9871:f1a3
10/11 tests run
Cool!
That is from an ipad on vzw LTE? Ios6?
Yes...
Please don't hack or ddos it :-)
I'm guessing there will be a lot of new ipv6 traffic from LTE handsets on vzw tomorrow.
Should be interesting if apple turned on their Phobos domains for App Store as v6 via akamai. I would expect a lot of traffic to shift then.
- Jared
One other thing... When on non-v6 wifi, it appears to still be using LTE for v6... (At least according to test-ipv6.com) This could result in some unexpected usage patterns.. - Jared On Sep 20, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool!
That is from an ipad on vzw LTE? Ios6?
Huh, so I come home and now I'm getting IPv6 from Verizon LTE. But I definitely wasn't at the office. I verified with an app called "IT Tools" that shows the interfaces and routing table, plus it does traceroute/ping. Maybe the nearest tower over there doesn't support IPv6? Odd. Running test-ipv6.com it passes all tests except "test if your ISP's DNS server uses IPv6". ~Seth
On 9/20/12 6:33 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Huh, so I come home and now I'm getting IPv6 from Verizon LTE. But I definitely wasn't at the office. I verified with an app called "IT Tools" that shows the interfaces and routing table, plus it does traceroute/ping. Maybe the nearest tower over there doesn't support IPv6? Odd.
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over AAAA if a hostname has both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working. ~Seth
Did Apple use their version of Happy Eyeballs on the iPads? ISTR they cache certain timeouts, so if IPv6 was failing before it may take awhile for it to become preferred again. /TJ On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
On 9/20/12 6:33 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Huh, so I come home and now I'm getting IPv6 from Verizon LTE. But I definitely wasn't at the office. I verified with an app called "IT Tools" that shows the interfaces and routing table, plus it does traceroute/ping. Maybe the nearest tower over there doesn't support IPv6? Odd.
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over AAAA if a hostname has both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working.
~Seth
On 9/20/12 6:47 PM, TJ wrote:
Did Apple use their version of Happy Eyeballs on the iPads? ISTR they cache certain timeouts, so if IPv6 was failing before it may take awhile for it to become preferred again.
Well, I can try creating a new DNS record that never existed before and see. ~Seth
Safari is definitely preferring IPv4. In a happier note, if you tether a device via hotspot on an IOS6 iPad, the clients get native IPv6. Strangely, they get addresses out of the same /64 as the iPad's LTE interface. Anyone know how that is working? I would have thought they would use prefix-delegation, and there would be a separate routed /64. thanks, -Randy ----- Original Message -----
On 9/20/12 6:47 PM, TJ wrote:
Did Apple use their version of Happy Eyeballs on the iPads? ISTR they cache certain timeouts, so if IPv6 was failing before it may take awhile for it to become preferred again.
It seems you may be correct.
~Seth
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, Randy Carpenter wrote:
In a happier note, if you tether a device via hotspot on an IOS6 iPad, the clients get native IPv6. Strangely, they get addresses out of the same /64 as the iPad's LTE interface. Anyone know how that is working? I would have thought they would use prefix-delegation, and there would be a separate routed /64.
Prefix delegation isn't generally available in mobile networks yet, that'll come in the next few years. It's probably using ND proxy or similar technique. <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6459> is a good starting point for further study, more specifically <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6459#section-5.3> to answer your above question. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
Quoting Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net>:
Safari is definitely preferring IPv4.
In a happier note, if you tether a device via hotspot on an IOS6 iPad, the clients get native IPv6. Strangely, they get addresses out of the same /64 as the iPad's LTE interface. Anyone know how that is working? I would have thought they would use prefix-delegation, and there would be a separate routed /64.
I assume they're doing the same thing I am. The cell network interface is just a p2p interface, and the whole /64 is routed to the phone/tablet. You can configure the p2p interface address as a /128 and configure the /64 on the wifi interface. My understanding of the 3gpp specs is that the cell provider won't have an address in that /64, so you won't conflict with anything upstream of the phone/tablet. Here's a screenshot of my (wifi-only) tablet getting v6 while tethered through my phone: http://dan.drown.org/android/clat/IMG_20120425_105124.jpg
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over AAAA if a hostname has both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working.
I think perhaps it is time to update test-ipv6.com a bit, and have it penalize the first number when IPv4 is used in preference. IPv4 CGN will make me a sad panda - especially when IPv6 is available but not being used.
I tested today just for giggles, test-ipv6.com shows I have working ipv4 and ipv6 10/10 on both tests. Interestingly enough I was only seeing 3G on the device at the time. So I guess its not just on LTE or is it LTE devices ? I'm running galaxy nexus on vz with stock jelly bean from the recent ota update On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Jason Fesler <jfesler@gigo.com> wrote:
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over AAAA if a hostname has
both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working.
I think perhaps it is time to update test-ipv6.com a bit, and have it penalize the first number when IPv4 is used in preference. IPv4 CGN will make me a sad panda - especially when IPv6 is available but not being used.
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:00 AM, chris wrote:
I tested today just for giggles, test-ipv6.com shows I have working ipv4 and ipv6 10/10 on both tests. Interestingly enough I was only seeing 3G on the device at the time.
So I guess its not just on LTE or is it LTE devices ?
I'm running galaxy nexus on vz with stock jelly bean from the recent ota update
See quote from PC below regarding vzw, which matches colloquial evidence I have seen/heard as well. This is also true of T-Mobile's v6 deployment when switching between HSPA+, Edge, 3G, etc (though I do not know if PC's general explanation of "how" is true of TMo) On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:15 AM, PC wrote:
One more tip: IPv6 will work over the legacy 3g network. Don't ask me much about it, but it "tunnels" it using eHRPD to the same IP/IPv6 headend to enable seamless EVDO/LTE handover.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Jason Fesler <jfesler@gigo.com> wrote:
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over AAAA if a hostname has
both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working.
I think perhaps it is time to update test-ipv6.com a bit, and have it penalize the first number when IPv4 is used in preference. IPv4 CGN will make me a sad panda - especially when IPv6 is available but not being used.
On 9/27/12 8:52 AM, Jason Fesler wrote:
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over AAAA if a hostname has both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working.
I think perhaps it is time to update test-ipv6.com a bit, and have it penalize the first number when IPv4 is used in preference. IPv4 CGN will make me a sad panda - especially when IPv6 is available but not being used.
Sadly my iPad stopped getting an IPv6 address anywhere I normally go, even at home where it was previously working. ~Seth
So I'm back at the office this morning and the iPad is *not* getting an IPv6 address but is showing LTE service. It did do IPv6 over LTE at home so it's not a device problem. So I suppose the closest tower to my office is not IPv6 enabled. Is this an expected behavior in some areas or something that needs fixing? ~Seth
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