--- jason@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher <jason@thebaughers.com> Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) --------------------------------------- Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR process to you, so you can decipher their skill/work ethic level? What can the HR person ask to find out if someone has these qualities? OSPF LSA type questions will not help. I definitely would rather work with a person willing to learn the nuances of the particular network, rather than someone that can spit out canned answers. scott
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:01:39PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- jason@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher <jason@thebaughers.com>
Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) ---------------------------------------
Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR process to you, so you can decipher their skill/work ethic level? What can the HR person ask to find out if someone has these qualities? OSPF LSA type questions will not help.
Don't get HR to do that sort of screening. They suck mightily at it. I lack any sort of HR department to get in the way, and I'm glad of it -- I don't see the value in having someone who doesn't know anything about the job get in the way of finding the right person for it. Sure, get 'em to do the scutwork of posting job ads, collating resumes, scheduling things and sending the "lolz no!" responses, but actually filtering? Nah, I'll do that bit thanks. If you have to have HR do a filter call, make it *really* simple, like "What does TCP stand for?" -- sadly, you'll still probably filter out half the applicants for a senior position... - Matt
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 04:18:21PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:01:39PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- jason@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher <jason@thebaughers.com>
Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) ---------------------------------------
Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR process to you, so you can decipher their skill/work ethic level? What can the HR person ask to find out if someone has these qualities? OSPF LSA type questions will not help.
Don't get HR to do that sort of screening. They suck mightily at it. I lack any sort of HR department to get in the way, and I'm glad of it -- I don't see the value in having someone who doesn't know anything about the job get in the way of finding the right person for it. Sure, get 'em to do the scutwork of posting job ads, collating resumes, scheduling things and sending the "lolz no!" responses, but actually filtering? Nah, I'll do that bit thanks. If you have to have HR do a filter call, make it *really* simple, like "What does TCP stand for?" -- sadly, you'll still probably filter out half the applicants for a senior position...
I've noticed a strong correlation between people who don't know what acronyms stand for, and competence. People who don't know anything try and figure out what the acronym stands for - people who want to understand things see it as just a place holder. Myself, I'm stumbling.. is TCP like GNU (GNU's Not Unix) and someting like TCP Control Protocol. Or is it Transmission Contrl Protocol? Or is it something else all together. Really at the end of the day - it doesn't matter. Maybe it's more significant to ask what the difference between TCP and UDP is. One thing people seem to like to bring up again and again is subnetting questions, which to me seem quite simple on the surface - but can get a little more complicated. Like when you have a /24 subnet routed to a customer, how many IP addresses can they use? 254? 253? To my thinking - if it's a routed subnet that means the gateway is on a different address, and it'd be prudent to still have the double broadcast addresses. It is also possible to utilise all 256 addresses. I think where the most significant differences lie isn't in how people can answer verbal or written questions with simple problems but in how quickly people can diagnose complicated of confusing situations. Although often there are steps people can take to mitigate against such, things like foreign DHCP server on the network. Someone stealing the gateway's IP address leading to intermittent connectivity, but still being able to ping the gateway, and other hosts on the network just not outside the network some of the time. Routing loops, incorrect subnet masks. (like when people stick a /24 netmask on a /27 then can't reach another adjacent /27) I think that anyone reasonable competent should be able to figure these things out - but by seeing how they approach these things, how quickly they can diagnose, and fix, and what level of disruption they cause trying to fix the problem are all significant. Like in the someone stealing gateway address - say there's a file server, printer etc on the local subnet, and people are busy working, then it's probably better not being able to access the larger network, and to keep the local connectivity, but some people seem to have the idea when things aren't working quite right that it's ok to disrupt what is working right. Ben.
Die proxy arp die. (and that's not German). I've had a job or consulting gig or two that has inadvertently had this as the hidden glue making things work. (wha, you can't route that subnet out an Ethernet interface without a next hop? It's always worked....) I fight with sysadmins to this day about the concept of a broadcast domain and subnet... If I hear another case of someone saying that switch is the "80" subnet when there are 3 co-existing /24s in that domain I may go crazy.... I've cleaned up a lot of poor host and network management and it's amazing how much a difference the hardware operates without the hacks. Jared Mauch On Jul 6, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Ben Aitchison <ben@meh.net.nz> wrote:
Routing loops, incorrect subnet masks. (like when people stick a /24 netmask on a /27 then can't reach another adjacent /27)
On 7/7/12 1:24 AM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
Die proxy arp die. (and that's not German).
I've had a job or consulting gig or two that has inadvertently had this as the hidden glue making things work.
(wha, you can't route that subnet out an Ethernet interface without a next hop? It's always worked....)
I fight with sysadmins to this day about the concept of a broadcast domain and subnet... If I hear another case of someone saying that switch is the "80" subnet when there are 3 co-existing /24s in that domain I may go crazy....
I've cleaned up a lot of poor host and network management and it's amazing how much a difference the hardware operates without the hacks.
Jared Mauch
On Jul 6, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Ben Aitchison <ben@meh.net.nz> wrote:
Routing loops, incorrect subnet masks. (like when people stick a /24 netmask on a /27 then can't reach another adjacent /27)
We had a pair of diversely located systems operate for about 18 months with misconfigured gateway addresses. Proxy ARP kept everything on an even keel until one of the systems failed and the traffic routed to the remaining system. I arrived on the call in time to hear the sys admins saying that they had exceeded the maximum number of ARP entries and were going to expand the table :(
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Ben Aitchison <ben@meh.net.nz> wrote:
Like when you have a /24 subnet routed to a customer, how many IP addresses can they use? 254? 253? To my thinking - if it's a routed subnet that means the gateway is on a different address, and it'd be prudent to still have the double broadcast addresses. It is also possible to utilise all 256 addresses.
There can be hidden down sides to trying that. I tried to use all 17 addresses from my Cox Business Internet /28 (the 16 in the /28 and the "router's" external address). Rigged it as a /24 inside and used proxy arp to move the outside addresses back out including the fake .1 default gateway that the router offered arp for but didn't hold. Only the first 16 of the 17 addresses worked. Which 16? Why, the first 16 the cable modem saw a packet from after power-on. Made for some interesting debugging. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 12:51:55PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 04:18:21PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:01:39PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- jason@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher <jason@thebaughers.com>
Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) ---------------------------------------
Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR process to you, so you can decipher their skill/work ethic level? What can the HR person ask to find out if someone has these qualities? OSPF LSA type questions will not help.
Don't get HR to do that sort of screening. They suck mightily at it. I lack any sort of HR department to get in the way, and I'm glad of it -- I don't see the value in having someone who doesn't know anything about the job get in the way of finding the right person for it. Sure, get 'em to do the scutwork of posting job ads, collating resumes, scheduling things and sending the "lolz no!" responses, but actually filtering? Nah, I'll do that bit thanks. If you have to have HR do a filter call, make it *really* simple, like "What does TCP stand for?" -- sadly, you'll still probably filter out half the applicants for a senior position...
I've noticed a strong correlation between people who don't know what acronyms stand for, and competence. People who don't know anything try and figure out what the acronym stands for - people who want to understand things see it as just a place holder.
[...]
Maybe it's more significant to ask what the difference between TCP and UDP is.
Yes, the difference between TCP and UDP is a much better question to ask, but having HR assess and act on the answer to the question is a whole hell of a lot harder. In many ways, *that's* the tough bit of finding a good screening question. Finding good interview questions *in general* isn't all that hard. With a good senior candidate my interview questions could just be bringing up problems I've recently solved or am currently wrestling with, and having a 30 minute conversation on the problem. I'll get a very good idea of someone's domain knowledge and problem-solving skills by doing that. But there's no way I can ask HR to do that, because they don't know how to assess the answer, and as previously demonstrated ("fragmented disks", indeed), you can't have HR act as scribe and relay the answer to you, because they'll get it wrong, and the interesting bit is the *conversation*, not the canned single-shot answer. That's my motivation for asking a question as inane as "What does TCP stand for?" -- it has an overwhelmingly obvious answer that can be verified in a second or two by someone who really doesn't know anything about what they're asking. Give a candidate 10 of those sorts of questions over the phone from an HR drone, if they score 8-or-better (for instance) they pass and you get to see their resume. That is, of course, assuming your organisation is so screwed up that they won't let you at candidates directly (which is still my preferred option -- leave HR to do the paperwork). - Matt -- The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. -- Dorothy Nevill
On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 12:51:55PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 04:18:21PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:01:39PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- jason@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher <jason@thebaughers.com>
Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) ---------------------------------------
Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR process to you, so you can decipher their skill/work ethic level? What can the HR person ask to find out if someone has these qualities? OSPF LSA type questions will not help.
Don't get HR to do that sort of screening. They suck mightily at it. I lack any sort of HR department to get in the way, and I'm glad of it -- I don't see the value in having someone who doesn't know anything about the job get in the way of finding the right person for it. Sure, get 'em to do the scutwork of posting job ads, collating resumes, scheduling things and sending the "lolz no!" responses, but actually filtering? Nah, I'll do that bit thanks. If you have to have HR do a filter call, make it *really* simple, like "What does TCP stand for?" -- sadly, you'll still probably filter out half the applicants for a senior position...
I've noticed a strong correlation between people who don't know what acronyms stand for, and competence. People who don't know anything try and figure out what the acronym stands for - people who want to understand things see it as just a place holder.
[...]
Maybe it's more significant to ask what the difference between TCP and UDP is.
Yes, the difference between TCP and UDP is a much better question to ask, but having HR assess and act on the answer to the question is a whole hell of a lot harder. In many ways, *that's* the tough bit of finding a good screening question. Finding good interview questions *in general* isn't all that hard. With a good senior candidate my interview questions could just be bringing up problems I've recently solved or am currently wrestling with, and having a 30 minute conversation on the problem. I'll get a very good idea of someone's domain knowledge and problem-solving skills by doing that. But there's no way I can ask HR to do that, because they don't know how to assess the answer, and as previously demonstrated ("fragmented disks", indeed), you can't have HR act as scribe and relay the answer to you, because they'll get it wrong, and the interesting bit is the *conversation*, not the canned single-shot answer.
Not so much, if you ask it in a slightly different way.... "If it isn't important that you get absolutely every packet, but it is vital that your packets be delivered without delay, would you prefer to use TCP or UDP?" HR can ask that. HR can easily evaluate the answer... TCP: Wrong, UDP: Right. Other interesting selections: Please choose either TCP or UDP (with a note to the potential interviewer that this person may be very creative, very smart or may simply have difficulty following directions) Spending a little time crafting the questions can pay tremendous dividends.
That's my motivation for asking a question as inane as "What does TCP stand for?" -- it has an overwhelmingly obvious answer that can be verified in a second or two by someone who really doesn't know anything about what they're asking. Give a candidate 10 of those sorts of questions over the phone from an HR drone, if they score 8-or-better (for instance) they pass and you get to see their resume. That is, of course, assuming your organisation is so screwed up that they won't let you at candidates directly (which is still my preferred option -- leave HR to do the paperwork).
I think there are better questions and ways to ask them that work even for HR than acronym memorization. I say this as one who could both correctly configure a router _AND_ probably score nearly 100% on the acronym test. Owen
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 02:06:58PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 12:51:55PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 04:18:21PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:01:39PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- jason@thebaughers.com wrote: From: Jason Baugher <jason@thebaughers.com>
Geez, I'd be happy to find someone with a good attitude, a solid work ethic, and the desire and aptitude to learn. :) ---------------------------------------
Yeah, that. But how do you get those folks through the HR process to you, so you can decipher their skill/work ethic level? What can the HR person ask to find out if someone has these qualities? OSPF LSA type questions will not help.
Don't get HR to do that sort of screening. They suck mightily at it. I lack any sort of HR department to get in the way, and I'm glad of it -- I don't see the value in having someone who doesn't know anything about the job get in the way of finding the right person for it. Sure, get 'em to do the scutwork of posting job ads, collating resumes, scheduling things and sending the "lolz no!" responses, but actually filtering? Nah, I'll do that bit thanks. If you have to have HR do a filter call, make it *really* simple, like "What does TCP stand for?" -- sadly, you'll still probably filter out half the applicants for a senior position...
I've noticed a strong correlation between people who don't know what acronyms stand for, and competence. People who don't know anything try and figure out what the acronym stands for - people who want to understand things see it as just a place holder.
[...]
Maybe it's more significant to ask what the difference between TCP and UDP is.
Yes, the difference between TCP and UDP is a much better question to ask, but having HR assess and act on the answer to the question is a whole hell of a lot harder. In many ways, *that's* the tough bit of finding a good screening question. <snip> Indeed. I was once filtered out of a sysadmin job at a big search engine company. They asked questions like: What system call does the ls command make? I didn't know, but said you could read the source or strace to find out.
They asked me to describe what ARP is. I basically talked about what an ARP table is and went into detail about "who-has" requests for building the table etc... and more questions like that. They seemed lost and didn't seem to know what I was talking about. It was at this point I realized that I was talking to an HR screener. The conversation was awkward from this point on as I struggled to attempt to guess what might be on the piece of paper as "The Right Answer". Needless to say I didn't hear back. Was I what they were looking for? Maybe, maybe not. But I was screened out before either of us could find out. Just as well, I'm much happier where I am now. :-)
Finding good interview questions *in general* isn't all that hard. With a good senior candidate my interview questions could just be bringing up problems I've recently solved or am currently wrestling with, and having a 30 minute conversation on the problem. I'll get a very good idea of someone's domain knowledge and problem-solving skills by doing that. But there's no way I can ask HR to do that, because they don't know how to assess the answer, and as previously demonstrated ("fragmented disks", indeed), you can't have HR act as scribe and relay the answer to you, because they'll get it wrong, and the interesting bit is the *conversation*, not the canned single-shot answer.
Definitely. I like the describe difference between UDP/TCP question. Another fave of mine is "Give me a list of various acronyms and its associated port" and give them HTTP/80 as an example. Many interviews end shortly after this one.
That's my motivation for asking a question as inane as "What does TCP stand for?" -- it has an overwhelmingly obvious answer that can be verified in a second or two by someone who really doesn't know anything about what they're asking. Give a candidate 10 of those sorts of questions over the phone from an HR drone, if they score 8-or-better (for instance) they pass and you get to see their resume. That is, of course, assuming your organisation is so screwed up that they won't let you at candidates directly (which is still my preferred option -- leave HR to do the paperwork).
+1
On 06/07/12 9:06 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Maybe it's more significant to ask what the difference between TCP and UDP is. Yes, the difference between TCP and UDP is a much better question to ask, but having HR assess and act on the answer to the question is a whole hell of a lot harder.
The best path is to have HR report the answer verbatim for the hiring manager to do the assessing. Then the hiring manager can decide which candidates proceed to the next level of interviews. jc
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 11:01:29AM -0700, JC Dill wrote:
On 06/07/12 9:06 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Maybe it's more significant to ask what the difference between TCP and UDP is. Yes, the difference between TCP and UDP is a much better question to ask, but having HR assess and act on the answer to the question is a whole hell of a lot harder.
The best path is to have HR report the answer verbatim for the hiring manager to do the assessing. Then the hiring manager can decide which candidates proceed to the next level of interviews.
Two problems there: * We've already had mention made in this thread of the problems associated with HR attempting to record, verbatim, an answer provided by a candidate. Unless all your HR phone screeners are experienced stenographers (who, I will note, can typically command salaries far in excess of HR associates), their chances of getting an accurate record of a candidate's statements is slim. * If you're going to have to carefully examine each candidate's answers *anyway*, why not just get on the phone screen with them in the first place, and get HR out of the picture? At least that way you're not wasting money paying for HR people, and you can do a far more in-depth interview because you're there, in real-time, to ask follow-up questions. - Matt -- MySQL seems to be the Windows of the database world. Broken, underspecced, and mainly only popular due to inertia and people who don't really know what they're doing. -- Peter Corlett, in the Monastery
On Jul 7, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Matthew Palmer <mpalmer@hezmatt.org> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 11:01:29AM -0700, JC Dill wrote:
On 06/07/12 9:06 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Maybe it's more significant to ask what the difference between TCP and UDP is. Yes, the difference between TCP and UDP is a much better question to ask, but having HR assess and act on the answer to the question is a whole hell of a lot harder.
The best path is to have HR report the answer verbatim for the hiring manager to do the assessing. Then the hiring manager can decide which candidates proceed to the next level of interviews.
Two problems there:
* We've already had mention made in this thread of the problems associated with HR attempting to record, verbatim, an answer provided by a candidate. Unless all your HR phone screeners are experienced stenographers (who, I will note, can typically command salaries far in excess of HR associates), their chances of getting an accurate record of a candidate's statements is slim.
* If you're going to have to carefully examine each candidate's answers *anyway*, why not just get on the phone screen with them in the first place, and get HR out of the picture? At least that way you're not wasting money paying for HR people, and you can do a far more in-depth interview because you're there, in real-time, to ask follow-up questions.
- Matt
Yeah. We tried "write down verbatim" - epic fail. This was why we spent man-months of top level consultant time coming up with ( and fixing and evolving ) lists of twentyish questions per discipline with only one right answer and an answer the recruiter could tell was right or not. It's not easy. If you screen a thousand plus people a year it's a super win. If you screen ten or twenty you may just want your techie interviewer to do the short screen rather than figure out how the recruiter can. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Matthew Palmer <mpalmer@hezmatt.org> wrote:
* If you're going to have to carefully examine each candidate's answers *anyway*, why not just get on the phone screen with them in the first place, and get HR out of the picture? At least that way you're not wasting money paying for HR people, and you can do a far more in-depth interview because you're there, in real-time, to ask follow-up questions.
I don't know about you but my brain doesn't switch on a dime. I have to *prepare* to conduct a phone interview. And afterward I have to spool back up on whatever task I was working on. If a screening question can cut many candidates who I'll know in 5 minutes aren't the one, that saves me a lot more time than just the 5 minutes on the phone. Plus, frankly, I don't enjoy conducting interviews. It's necessary but I find it stressful. Where I can avoid it with minimal risk of missing the individual I actually want to hire, that makes me happy. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
* We've already had mention made in this thread of the problems associated with HR attempting to record, verbatim, an answer provided by a candidate. [snip] Conversation should be recorded, then they don't have to write out
On 7/7/12, Matthew Palmer <mpalmer@hezmatt.org> wrote: the full text :) Asking a HR agent to vet a candidate's technical credentials, beyond verification of identity/history/certs, is like asking a blind person to administer a vision test. Possibly it can be done, but only within a very rigid framework requiring very little flexibility or knowledge from the test administrator. The HR agent should make it clear that the question is a screening question, to be answered as-is to their ability, and a short easily-recordable answer is expected. The ideal screening question should be either presented as multiple choice, or a question where a one word or one-sentence answer is expected. That can be written down very easily, and correctness/incorrectness should be obvious. Instead of asking for a definition of TCP, provide the definition, and ask for the one word or one number answer. "When a number received in an IP packet is presented in network byte order, and the host architecture is big endian, what must be done to convert the number into host byte order?" (one word answer) "What commonly used protocol uses IP datagrams to provide a reliable transport?" (one word answer) "What IP protocol number has IANA assigned protocol number 1 to?" (one word answer) "The TCP/UDP port numbers below what number are considered well-known, and can only be bound by administrative users?" (one number answer) "What version of the IP datagram protocol is most widely deployed?" (one number answer) "How many bits are there in an IPv4 address?" (one two-digit number answer) "Host bits in an IPv4 address correspond to the bits in the network mask set to what value?" (one single-digit number answer) "Is 192.168.0.256 a valid ip address for a host on a private intranet?" (one yes/no answer) "Is 172.16.12.3 ?" (one yes/no answer) "What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer) "What TCP header flag should be set on the first packet sent by a connection initiator as part of a 3-way handshake?" (one word answer) "What TCP destination port numbers should be allowed through the perimeter stateful firewall device to and from a mail server whose only purpose is to proxy SMTP mail from internal sources?" (one number answer) .... -- -JH
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
Unemployment Office Is That Way -> Is the only 5 word answer I could come up with. The correct answer "invalid netmask", is only two words.
"What TCP destination port numbers should be allowed through the perimeter stateful firewall device to and from a mail server whose only purpose is to proxy SMTP mail from internal sources?" (one number answer)
Short Answer: There is no answer to the question that can be expressed in one number. Outbound connections to TCP destination port 25 only. Returning traffic (including associated ICMP) should be automatically handled by your stateful inspection firewall. If not, you need to buy a better firewall. Any applicant who provides any answer should the rejected out of hand as (a) being unable to read (b) being a threat to security. Unless, of course, you have misphrased the question. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org
On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
Unemployment Office Is That Way ->
Is the only 5 word answer I could come up with. The correct answer "invalid netmask", is only two words.
LoL... Even if you allowed for discontiguous subnet masks, you'd need to use 255.255.255.243 and not 255.255.255.247 to achieve 12 hosts. Not sure what 5 word answer you're looking for, but Keith's answer and mine are the two most obvious issues I can think of.
"What TCP destination port numbers should be allowed through the perimeter stateful firewall device to and from a mail server whose only purpose is to proxy SMTP mail from internal sources?" (one number answer)
Short Answer: There is no answer to the question that can be expressed in one number.
Sure there is, if you count "none" as a number.
Outbound connections to TCP destination port 25 only. Returning traffic (including associated ICMP) should be automatically handled by your stateful inspection firewall. If not, you need to buy a better firewall.
I'd allow 25 and 465 outbound, myself. No reason to block SSL if the remote side offers the capability. ICMP wouldn't be a TCP destination port number anyway.
Any applicant who provides any answer should the rejected out of hand as (a) being unable to read (b) being a threat to security.
LoL... Some truth to that. Owen
On 7/7/12, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> wrote:
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer) Unemployment Office Is That Way -> Is the only 5 word answer I could come up with. The correct answer "invalid netmask", is only two words.
5 words = "The netmask is not valid." Also acceptable response; "A netmask must be contiguous."
Short Answer: There is no answer to the question that can be expressed in one number.
Acceptable answers: "None", or "25" Unacceptable answers: any number other than 25, or anything other than a one-word answer. (After your rep has told them that you expect a one-word answer, of course.) -- -JH
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi.com@nanog.org Sat Jul 7 23:11:09 2012 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:09:54 -0500 Subject: Re: job screening question From: Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> To: Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
On 7/7/12, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> wrote:
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer) Unemployment Office Is That Way -> Is the only 5 word answer I could come up with. The correct answer "invalid netmask", is only two words.
5 words = "The netmask is not valid." Also acceptable response; "A netmask must be contiguous."
"Subnet/Netmask is '/31'-equivalennt, unusable." "Subnet too small/tiny/miniscule/{other synonyms} too use." "Invalid netmask under CIDR rules" (also transpose first two words) "Invalid netmask according to RFC[mumble}" (also transpose first two words) "Too many hosts for subnet." "Twelve hosts will not fit." "You've _got_ to be kidding!" "Apparent bit-rot in questions database" If _written_, I't be tempted to respond: A) Netmask is '/31'-equivalent, unusable B) Invalid netmask under CIDR rules C) Apparent bit-rot in questions database D) Question probably itended LSB 248. E) Not enough bits in subnet F) too many hosts for subnet G) all of the above respones and then circle G. <*EVIL* grin>
<snip>....
"When a number received in an IP packet is presented in network byte order, and the host architecture is big endian, what must be done to convert the number into host byte order?" (one word answer)
My response would be to have a field-day with HR talking about MSB and LSB. Certainly wouldn't be a one-word answer. So HR disqualifies me?
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era. If you so desire, give me about 2 hours since I do not have a scientific calculator handy; and I will get back to you with the complete-list. Definitely not 5 words as required from the HR stand point. So I get disqualified again! ./Randy
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:03:43 -0700, Randy said:
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
I'm not sure if that's a typo or excessive evil on the part of the questioner. ;)
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era.
Yes, but even if it was *legal*, the "subnet doesn't contain 12 addresses" answer applies. ;)
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:03:43 -0700, Randy said:
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
I'm not sure if that's a typo or excessive evil on the part of the questioner. ;)
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era.
Yes, but even if it was *legal*, the "subnet doesn't contain 12 addresses" answer applies. ;)
It's just a mask...you can do all sorts of crazy things with netmasks. The results of using "unusual" ones is not typically predictable or desireable to those who might accidentally use them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
As his monstrous dick began to balloon up to its full length and girth, Chris noticed it start to poke out of the shower stall. Holy crap! I’m too big to fit in the shower!Chris quickly leaned back against the shower wall and cradled his cock in both hands, lifting the massive shaft upwards rather than outwards. That’s a good cock. Too big for the shower. Such a good cock. Mmmmm.Chris spread his legs wide to let his balls sway freely between them. He squirted more body wash on his giant rod and slipped his hands up and down the length. Chris bit his lip with the incredible pleasure he was experiencing. Though the girth of his cock was too great for him to reach around it, even with both hands, Chris clutched the shaft as best he could and began to pump it vigorously, thrusting with his hips. The extra motion allowed him to slip a full twenty four inches of his dick between his hands on each stroke, and the thrusts caused his weighty sack to sway pleasurably between his legs. “Unh! Unh!” Chris began to grunt softly in pleasure. “Oh, yeah.” Chris heard a voice echoing softly across the tiled room. Somebody else is in here! I didn’t hear them come in. What the h— “Mmnh. Ungh” Chris could hear the other guy’s voice as he evidently began to enjoy himself as well. He hesitated, but the insistent demands of his monster were just too urgent to ignore. He resumed his masturbation, first just stroking his gargantuan boner, then resuming the hip-swinging thrusts that felt so incredible. Before long, both guys were audibly grunting and moaning. Chris heard the bathroom door open again. Awww, man! Not now!He stopped his thrusting, but continued to stroke his aching cock. I can’t just stop.As he heard feet patting across the tile floor to the shower right next to him, Chris was amazed to hear the first guy continue to grunt and moan as he stroked himself. That guy has no shame! Or maybe he’s just too horny to care.As Chris continued to caress his gigantic prick quietly, the water in the shower next to him came on, and he heard a loud expulsion of breath. “Whew. Fuck, yeah.” A different voice in the adjacent shower startled Chris, momentarily interrupting his rhythm. Slow grunting told him that this guy was jerking off too. Screw these guys! If they’re not embarassed about it, why should I be? I guarantee you I’m hornier than both of them put together.Chris began to jerk off in earnest, bucking his hips to slide as much of his fat rod through his hands as possible. “Unh. Ungh.” Chris started to grunt, even doing it a little louder, deliberately. The other two voices responded in kind, all three guys becoming quite audible. Neither guy said more than the occasional ‘fuck’ or ‘yeah’, and the acoustics and the running water muffled their voices, so Chris couldn’t identify either of them. None of them was very shy about what they were doing, though, even when one of the others came to a loud, gasping orgasm. Chris was about to follow him when the bathroom doors opened again. Not stopping now. Feels too good to stop.As his massive cock began to erupt in a geyser of cum, Chris could hear a fourth guy slide back a shower curtain and start up a shower. “Fuck! Unh! Uhn! Uhn!” Chris continued stroking as his balls pumped again and again, flooding the stall with a pint or more of cum. “Hell, yeah!”, said a quiet voice from the next stall. All three of the showering guys continued to stroke themselves, grunting and moaning. Though a pint of jizz was slowly seeping down the drain, Chris grabbed his hard dick and began to stroke himself again. I’m not stopping if they aren’t. Nobody can outlast this dick.As he resumed his thrusting, he began vocalizing even louder. “Holy shit!” breathed one of the other guys. That expression of amazement galvanized Chris and he began to buck and pump with wild abandon. Damn right! Nobody’s got a cock like this! With the loud sounds of the other three guys also jerking off, Chris eventually brought himself to a second massive ejaculation. A couple of them came before he did, but his was definitely the longest, again, and the loudest. With barely a pause to finish cumming, Chris resumed stroking his rock-hard wang, thrusting madly and grunting like an animal. He could hear the other guys, but after the first few strokes, he became totally focused on grappling with his giant beast. Gotta take care of the monster. Need it all the time. Fuck, this feels so good. Chris’s colossal rod was far too long to thrust horizontally, unless he wanted to stick half a foot of it out of the shower, so he was leaning back low against the shower wall and thrusting his hips upward, bringing his cock upwards on each thrust. This allowed him to roam his hands over the entire length of his fat prick on each stroke, before rubbing his glans at the end of each stroke. As he got more and more involved in his masturbation, Chris’s stance altered, and he could feel the huge expanse of his cockhead touching the shower curtain at the end of each stroke, pushing it outward slightly. He was too far gone to be concerned, however. Chris finally reached his third, volcanic orgasm with a loud, guttural grunt. His first spurt of cum shot out all over the shower curtain with an audible splash, followed by a second, and third, and so on, until, a dozen surges later, Chris had pumped another pint or so of cum all over the interior of the shower, accompanied by loud moans and grunts with each ejaculation. Oh, yeah! What do you guys think of that?Chris finally paused in his frenzied masturbation, and realized that the shower room was quiet, other than his own shower. There was no sound of others showering, and no other voices echoing against the tiles. ________________________________ From: Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> To: valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: job screening question On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:03:43 -0700, Randy said:
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
I'm not sure if that's a typo or excessive evil on the part of the questioner. ;)
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era.
Yes, but even if it was *legal*, the "subnet doesn't contain 12 addresses" answer applies. ;)
It's just a mask...you can do all sorts of crazy things with netmasks. The results of using "unusual" ones is not typically predictable or desireable to those who might accidentally use them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era. If you so desire, give me about 2 hours since I do not have a scientific calculator handy; and I will get back to you with the complete-list.
Definitely not 5 words as required from the HR stand point. So I get disqualified again!
Hehehe. Ok. So if this was 1986 then the answer would be: No Hosts on the Network. There is only 1 host bit, and both available addresses would be reserved for the directed-broadcast and subnet-broadcast address respectively, leaving no space for an actual host, let alone 12 of them. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org
Chris began to waddle slowly to his room, his huge, full balls hanging heavily between his legs. His flaccid anaconda had begun to swell again, and the added weight of his growing member was making it increasingly more difficult to move quickly. After his ungainly shuffle to the Tupelos, Chris was again faced with the challenge of getting up the stairs. While he had much more support than last time, and two free hands, his ballsack was even fuller and heavier, and his rod was slowly but insistently growing. Chris sighed and began the arduous climb up the stairs, as other boys passed him in both directions with annoyance. Swinging each leg up and around a package which easily weighed twenty five pounds or more was hard work. Chris was sweating by the time he reached the second floor. OK, so maybe I do get the food to go, and bulk up my balls after I get up the stairs. Chris shambled down the hall to his room, his groin growing heavier and more insistent with each step. By the time he reached the door, he was leaning forward with the increasing weight between his legs. He fumbled with the key until he got the door unlocked, and staggered into the room, pushing it closed behind him. Gotta get these pants off, now!Chris slipped off the suspenders and let his baggy pants drop to the ground. He hobbled across the room with the pants around his ankles, towards his bed. He eased off each shoe with the other foot, and the loose pants slipped off as well. Chris winced as he pulled the waistband of the spandex down over his stiffening cock and swollen balls. Trying to get the spandex off as his python continued to grow was an exercise in frustration. Finally, both his full, massive nutsack and his thickening cock were both free. Chris hefted his balls onto the bed and sighed in relief. Whoooo. Heavy.His colossal rod, now resting comfortably between his nuts, continued to grow, now quickly swelling free from confinement. Chris patted it fondly. Oh, yeah…Grow big for me.With his meat resting on the bed, Chris had an idea. He stepped carefully around his bed, keeping his huge manhood supported on the mattress. He reached over and snagged one of the laundry bags, and, leaning far forward, slid the bag over his throbbing cock. Chris slid the smooth fabric down his huge girth, the sensation driving him wild. Then he pulled the drawstring taut at the base of his shaft. Hopefully this will keep the cleanup to a minimum. Then, standing at the foot of the bed, Chris climbed onto his bed on his knees, sliding his hard cock along the bed in front of him. His gigantic sack flopped against his thighs, and his dick bumped gently across the sheets, driving him wild. Chris stopped and reached forward for his pillows. He sandwiched his thirty inch monster between his pillows, resting it on one, and squeezing the other pillow firmly across the top of his shaft. A substantial portion of his fuckstick protruded beyond the pillows. Damn! I should have bought two body pillows for this.Chris leaned forward, pressing down on the sides of the pillows, clamping his prick between them. Chris began to pump his hips, fucking his pillows. The laundry bag was smooth enough to allow his cock to slide back and forth, and the pressure he exterted was like a firm grasp all over a foot or more of his dick. Unh! Feels pretty good.Chris began to pump harder, thrusting his hips harder and sliding as much of his meat between the pillows as he could. Unh, Uhn. Yeah. This feels goooood.As his pleasure built up towards climax, Chris began thrusting as fast as he could, feeling his huge sack slap against his thighs with each thrust. “Unnnnnnh!” The first flood of cum surged out of his cock, and Chris could feel its warm wetness oozing around the head of his dick. Ohhh, yeah.He continued to thrust as his huge organ pumped out more and more jizz. Each eruption of cum gushed out of his massive cock and spattered into the bag. A dozen or more surges later, Chris’s orgasm subsided. The laundry bag was sloshing with a pint or more of Chris’s spunk.The fabric seemed to be containing it well, though, and there was no signs of leaking. Chris’s gigantic prick, however, was still achingly erect and throbbing. His colossal balls, swinging heavily from his groin, were still bloated with an almost full load, and he felt no urge to slow down. No sooner than his first orgasm had subsided, Chris resumed thrusting his thick shaft between the pillows. The cum-spattered bag was now warm and wet and his arousal hadn’t diminished a bit. Chris spread his legs a bit wider and exulted in the feeling of his gargantuan nutsack swaying heavily back and forth, gently brushing the covers. His first flood of cum was soon followed by a second, equally enormous series of ejaculations. Now the bag was filled with a quart or more of hot semen, but Chris didn’t feel the slightest bit sated. I might as well just enjoy myself until Jen gets here. She wanted to help me get to my biggest, so I shouldn’t be too big when she gets here.Without even a pause after his climax, Chris began thrusting again, losing himself in the sensations from his giant cock. He didn’t even notice when the door opened, then closed, behind him. Chris had his legs spread wide apart and was furiously fucking the paired pillows with his wrapped prick. Between the warm, wet fluid in the bag, and the delicious feeling of his fat balls bouncing first against the pillows, then against his thighs, Chris was completely oblivious. His eyes were closed and he was fantasizing about an entire array of erotic images: • • • Sitting in his class with the two lesbians, wearing a stretchy pair of sweat pants instead of his baggy black pants, and slowly popping a monstrous boner as they stared in rapt fascination. Sliding his massive rod between Jen’s breasts, which had somehow swelled to the size of large beachballs, yet remained round and bouncy. Being jerked off by Jen and Tasha and Kimber, their eager hands and soft mouths delighting in his ample cock, the girls laughing as they shared their prize. Striding into the dorm shower room totally nude with a full erection, as Javier, Kevin, and the other jocks from the stairwell watched with awe, stroking himself to orgasm after orgasm in the shower in front of them. Barbie, totally nude in the snack shop, licking his oversized cock head with gusto while she spoon-fed him from an endless cup of creamy milkshake. Tracy, clad only in her red Target shirt, astride his huge dick, masturbating him with her hands and legs on top of the customer service counter. Greg and Terry and Javier, urging him on, cheering, as he drenched a cowed and subdued James with a limitless supply of thick, sticky jizz. Persephone, insatiable, gorging herself not on food, but on the delicious supply of cum from his swollen balls, her stomach bulging with the vast quantities she had devoured. Jen, wide eyed and adoring, murmuring to him as she kissed him, “Get big for me, Chris. Get big. Get bigger. Get bigger.” Seemingly inexhaustible, Chris jerked himself off to a third massive orgasm, then a fourth, and a fifth, and finally, a sixth. With each climax, the bag grew fuller and fuller as his nuts pumped out a flood of spunk. Though Chris never noticed, lost in his pleasure, at some point before his sixth and final ejaculation, the door to the room opened again and closed behind him. By the time he collapsed, exhausted, onto his bed, the laundry bag was filled with over a gallon of his thick, sticky seed, and his fat balls had shrunk in mass to about half their maximum weight. Whew! I need a breather! Chris rolled to one side, feeling the heft of his cock and balls pulling against his body as he did so. As he patted them contentedly, his cell phone, on the dresser, rang loudly. • • • Part 63. Chris tumbled out of his bed, his softening cock flopping against his legs. He struggled to hurry over to his phone with his bulky genitals swinging between his legs. He grabbed the phone and blurted “Hello?” “Hey, sweetie pie! How is my big boy doing? Have you been a good boy, today?” It was Jen, her voice bubbly and curious. “Jen! Hey! I was just thinking about you!” And Persephone, and Tracy, and Tasha, and Kimber, and Barbie… “Wait. How did you get my number? Uh, not that I mind, but…” “You called the pizza place, remember? The system captures all the phone calls to the store, silly.” She snorted. “Either that or I Googled “biggest cock in the world”, and there you were on Wikipedia. Now, tell me that you haven’t been pigging out. I’ve been thinking all day about watching you get bigger, and what I wanted to do when you were at your very, very biggest for me.” Jen’s voice was very husky. “No! I’m starving! I can’t wait to eat something. I’m dying to see you.” I’ll just tactfully omit the last few hours on that. I am starving right now, so that part is all true. “Oh, sweetie! I’m dying to see you too. I’m headed back home from school. I’ll just stop and pick you up, if that’s okay.” Chris indicated his acquiescence. “Chris, is there any chance I might get you to wear your sweats instead of your baggy pants? Or maybe something a little tighter?”, Jen asked eagerly. Chris was flummoxed. He wanted to make Jen happy, but he was really not looking forward to showing off his oversized prick on campus. “Uh, I don’t really have anything else that fits, Jen. I can wear some of my spandex leggings under the pants for you. Those are really, really tight. Would that be OK?” “Sweetie, I know you are self-conscious about your size, but you should be showing it off to the whole world, not just little ol’ me. Anyway, it’s not like I’m going to parade you around town just yet. It would just be the two of us at my apartment with my roommates.” “With Tasha and Kimber?” Chris couldn’t help himself. “Really?” “Well, yeah. I mean, it’s not like I can just bundle you into the apartment and smuggle food into my bedroom for you. Tasha and Kimber live there, too. They’re gonna want to actually meetyou eventually. I might be able to get away with dragging a boy into the boudoir a few times, but having him over for dinner? Introductions are in order, sweetie pie.” “Oh, yeah. I guess that makes sense.” Despite his earlier fantasies, Chris was now experiencing a bit of anxiety about being revealed to Jen’s roommates. “It’s just that I…don’t have a second pair of sweat pants. I usually wear those baggy black ones.” “Chris, sweetie, three things. First, those aren’t your sweat pants. You might have gone to Belmont High, but you weren’t on the lacrosse team.” Oh, right. Team name on the leg, Chris noted as he looked at the sweatpants strewn on the floor. Glad I’m dating Nancy Drew. Jen continued, “Second, I said I wanted to seeyou get to your biggest. I can’t watch those gorgeous balls get all fat and firm if you’re hiding them in your pants. Mmmm, I’ve been thinking about that alllll day.” Me too! thought Chris. However, he asked, “What was the third thing?” Jen stammered for a second, seemingly interrupted in her train of thought. “Uh, er, oh, the third thing is I’m not having my roomies think I’m dating a Goth. You have to look normal for them.” “Jen, if I can stay soft around you, I’ve got a nineteen inch long dick, and you want to feed me until my balls get back to ten pounds apiece. I’m not going to look normal.” “Sweetie, I said youhad to look normal. Your wiener can be its usual, jaw-dropping, eye-popping, mouth-watering self. Now, let’s compromise: you put on your Goth camouflage, and grab a pair of sweats from your roomie. You can come over to the apartment in steath mode, but once you’re over here, I want your package on display. The girls will flip out.” Jen’s voice sounded like she would brook no argument. “Okay. That’s fair.” I’m not about to say no to a girl who is not only crazy about my big cock, but who wants to help keep my balls nice and full. Especially not when she looks like Jen.“When will you be here?” “Sweetie pie, if it wasn’t stupid to talk on the cell and drive, I’d already be there. I’m sitting in my car on my campus right now. It will be like, ten minutes, tops. Will you meet me outside, or should I come in and help you lug that monster down the stairs?” Ten minutes? Fuck! I’m naked and I’ve got a laundry bag with a gallon of cum in it to get rid of. Crap! Do I have some homework to do?“Ten minutes should be fine, Jen. I’ll be waiting. I can’t wait to see you.” “There’s a lotof stuff I can’t wait for, sweetie. See you soon!” Jen hung up the phone. Chris sprung into action, as best he could with a massive limp penis and two huge balls swinging between his legs. He grabbed the bag and carried it over to the sink in the room. OK, this is more than a gallon.He turned on the hot water fairly high, and started to pour the sticky, gloppy mass of jizz down the drain. He thought that he was about to clog the sink several times, but finally the entire load of cum had drained away. Chris turned the bag inside out and scrubbed the semen off the fabric, then hung it on the towel rack to dry. He looked at the clock and panicked. Shit! Do I have time to stuff myself into some spandex? He waddled across the floor, his huge package slapping against his legs with each step. Chris grabbed the spandex he had worn earlier and began maneuvering himself back into the garment. At least this one is stretched out a bit. Not quite as hard to get into the second time.Once his manhood was restrained by the spandex, Chris pulled on a shirt, then stepped into his baggy black pants, and hooked the suspenders over his shoulders. He put back on his shoes, and started for the door. Wait a minute! Damn!Chris opened Greg’s dresser guiltily and grabbed another pair of his roommate’s sweat pants. He then grabbed his laptop too. I’m not sure if I’ll actually get any time to work on homework, but it’s the thought that counts. Speaking of thoughts…Chris grabbed another of the laundry bags, too. Chris stepped out of the room and immediately almost ran into Javier. • • • Part 64. “Hey, man! How’s it hanging?” Javier greeted him exuberantly, grabbing Chris’s free hand in a shake while clasping his shoulder with his own free arm. Javier was wearing a tight white T-shirt which showcased his muscles through the thin material, and a pair of skin-tight jeans whose button fly was strained over his prominent bulge. “I haven’t seen you around. I’ve seen bothyour roomates, though, man. That shit’s rough.” He adjusted his package unselfconsciously. “I thought I could satisfy the ladies, but that Terry? Damn! Greg could catch some tail too, if he was interested. Am I right?” Javier playfully punched Chris in the arm. “I thought my roommate had it bad. He only has to live with oneguy all the girls are drooling over.” Javier paused at Chris’s expression. “Hey, man, I didn’t mean nothing by it. I was just kidding. Is Greg here? We were supposed to meet up after class.” Chris made a conscious effort to wipe the impatient look from his face. “Sorry, Javier. I don’t know where Greg is. I’m not angry. I’m just late. I’m supposed to be meeting my girlfriend.” Chris blurted the last sentence out without thinking, and Javier’s face broke into a surprised smile. “No shit, man? Hell, you work almost as fast as Terry! Lemme get out of your way, Chris. I’m sure you’d rather be hanging with your girl than standing around in the hall with me.” He patted Chris on the shoulder as he let him pass. “Go get her, bro.” Chris waddled down the stairs with his thick flaccid cock and big balls snugly held by his spandex underpants. While his nuts were still huge in comparison to anyone else’s, his recent session had drained them substantially, and they didn’t sway and bounce nearly as much as they had going up the stairs. Plus, the anticipation of seeing Jen again was lending speed to his step. That Javier is pretty friendly for a guy I only met once in the showers. He seems cool, though. I feel kinda bad for him in a way. I guess he got used to being “big”, and then came to school here. It seems like word has really gotten out about Terry’s size. It’s too bad he doesn’t have any more cream. It would be cool to help Javier get up to about Terry’s size, so he didn’t have to feel self-conscious about it. Not my size though. I wanna be the biggest around. I don’t want anybody even getting closeto my size. Probably for the best that I used up all the cream. Chris stepped outside and saw Jen getting out of her car at the curb. “Jen! Hey, Jen!” He waved at her and she waved back. “I’m coming!” Chris started to run, then quickly caught himself. No more running with this monster.He settled for quickening his pace down the sidewalk towards her. As he did, she walked around the side of her car and waited for him. When Chris drew near, she spread her arms eagerly. “Hey, sweetie! What took you so long?” Jen wrapped her arms around his neck and pulled him to her in a kiss. Chris responded by grabbing her around the waist, almost dropping his laptop in the process. Their mouths opened and her kiss grew into a protracted affair, their tongues lapping together. Jens’ arms released their hold on his neck, and moved down to wrap around his waist, then his butt. Her arms pulled him tight against her, and Jen ground her pelvis against his massive cock and balls. “Ooooh, I missed this sooo much,” she gasped out after their lip lock. Chris could feel himself already start to harden. “I thought we were going to watch me get bigger at your place.” His hands, contradicting his words, sought out her firm, curvy butt and pulled her tight against his groin. Jen’s moist mouth sought out his for another long kiss, exploring his mouth with her tongue. She finally pulled out of the kiss and breathed softly into his ear, flicking his earlobe with her hot, pink tongue. “We are. I was just saying hello.” She continued to grind her pelvis against Chris, his anaconda starting to strain against the spandex as it swelled. She abruptly pushed him back firmly, though not rudely. Chris’s slightly hard rod pressed against the baggy pants, his semi-erection quite visible. “I just wanted to point out that if I wantedto parade you around, it would be pretty easy to do, no matter what disguise you wore.” She smiled sweetly at him and batted her lashes. “Now, would you like to show that boner off to all the boys, or get in the car?” She’s got me there.Chris put his laptop, sweats, and bag in the back seat, then struggled to get seated in the front. His huge rod, though not anywhere near maximum size, was preventing him from getting a comfortable position. Jen giggled at his predicament, then helped him slide the seat back to where he could, at least, sit down without discomfort. “Give me a little more time and we’d have to tie your monster down to the roof like a Christmas tree, Chris.” “Not really. I’d just get in the back seat and let it ride up here with you,” he replied, laughing. This time, Jen drove back to her apartment at a more sensible speed. They pulled in to a parking spot, and Jen helped Chris get his stuff out of the back seat, along with her own messenger bag. She looked at the laundry bag and gave Chris a questioning glance. “To avoid soaking your sheets like last night,” he explained. “Oh, good. I was thinking that you were sorely mistaken if you were hoping to get me to do your laundry. You didn’t bring it; and it’s not happening anyway.” “No, nothing like that. I’m thinking that I probably need to help youwith laundry tonight, considering what happened last night. Now, how am I going to get up to the room?” Chris pointed at his erection, which, although nowhere near its full size, was pressing visibly against the baggy black pants, creating a large tent in the fabric. “Easy-peasey, sweetie pie. We just cuddle on the way up.” Jen fitted action to words, and pressed her pert butt against his shaft, wrapping his arms around her. Chris could feel his monster stirring again, growing and straining against the spandex confinement. “Uh, Jen? I don’t know how long that’s gonna work. You feel a little too good for me to stay calm.” Plus, if this spandex gets much tighter, my eyes are going to start bugging out. “Well, then, we’d better just hurry.” Jen’s curvy ass bounced against his rod all the way into the elevator. Chris groaned in discomfort once they were there, leaning back against the wall and trying to adjust his pants to give him just a little more room. His fat python was at least twenty four inches long now and had grown well past his right knee. The thick shaft was clearly outlined, even in the previously baggy pants. “What are we going to do about Tasha and Kimber? I don’t want to have dinner with them at full mast.” “Aw, I was hoping to use it as a sideboard for the buffet.” She patted his penis fondly. “You hustle into my room as soon as we get in. I’ll run interference. I’ll have to start dinner; it’s my night to cook. While I’m doing that, you can let off some pressure in the bedroom, okay? When you get yourself back down to a size appropriate for polite company, put on your sweats and come out. I’ll tell Tasha and Kimber you had some homework you had to knock out first.” “Uh, Jen, if I jerk off more, I’m gonna be even hungrier. I don’t know if you really realize how much I need to eat to keep myself stoked. It’s not normal.” Chris’s stomach rumbled, reminding him. The elevator doors opened and Jen jumped in front of him again, mashing her butt into his groin. He sighed with pleasure and wrapped his arms around her waist. “Sweetie, I’ve delivered pizza for you before. I’ve got gobs of pasta and bread, plus plenty of side dishes, and desert. There’s a load of snacks in the cupboard, plus we just bought ice cream last night. If all fails, I can always order more pizza. Trust me, those big balls of yours are gonna be as full as I can possibly get them.” She opened her door and pushed Chris towards her bedroom as she hopped into the living room in front of Tasha and Kimber, dropping her messenger bag and Chris’s bundle. “We’re here! Lemme get dinner started. I hope you guys like baked spaghetti!” Chris waddled down the hall, his growing rod preventing him from bending his right leg. He heard the girls behind him as he stepped into Jen’s room. “Where’s Chris going?” asked Tasha. “Yeah, what’s his rush? He didn’t even say ‘Hi’,” Kimber complained. “He has some homework he has to jump right on,” Jen explained. “It has to be submitted tonight, so he needed to get it taken care of immediately. He’s gonna tackle it with both hands, and then he will be able to relax and have dinner with us.” Chris shut the door behind him, cutting off their voices. He kicked off his shoes and nearly tore off his pants, desperate to get the too-snug spandex off his protesting prick. He finally was able to shuck off the spandex and his dick sprung up enthusiastically, rapidly ballooning to its full colossal size now that it was free of the fabric prison. Chris walked across the room to Jen’s closet, his monstrous pole bobbing with each step, and grabbed first one, then a couple, of her towels. Ah, I’m doing laundry anyway.He seated himself comfortably on her bed and, wrapping the towel over his cock head, began to stroke himself eagerly. Wait a minute. I’m forgetting something. Chris laid back and reached into Jen’s bedside table, grabbing a bottle of Astroglide. He opened it and began squirting it liberally all over his tremendous shaft. Only the best for the biggest.Once his entire girth was coated with the lube, Chris clasped his cock with both hands and began stroking himself even more enthusiastically. Man! I’m so horny! It’s been…less than half an hour, actually. I guess I just need it more now. Feels soooo good.He abandoned himself to the pleaure, immersing himself in his task. He didn’t hear the girls talking in the other room. • • • Part 65. Jen was working on her baked spaghetti as she lectured her roommates. “Look, this is really important. Chris is self-conscious about his appearance. He’s at a new school in a new city, and he doesn’t want to stand out. I don’t want you guys making a big deal about it, OK?” “Wait? He doesn’t want to stand out, but he dresses like a Goth with those huge baggy pants?”, objected Kimber. I thought that was the point of Goth wear, to stand out as a Goth. I mean, it’s pretty obvious, especially ‘cause he’s Asian. I’ve never seen a Goth Asian guy before.” “Yeah. I never though I would see you dating a Goth. I though you said they reminded you of Eddie Munster.” Tasha chimed in, helpfully. “He’s nota Goth! He wears those big baggy pants to hide the fact that he’s…He’s…He is…” Jen was at a loss as to how to explain this delicately. “He’s what?”, asked Tasha. “Arrrgh! He has a really big penis, okay?” Jen just blurted it out. Both Kimber and Tasha perked up immediately. “His whole package is gigantic, all right? It’s like freakishly, unbelievably massive. He wears the baggy pants to hide the fact that he’s huge.” She focused on preparing the food and tried to avoid their gaze, blushing furiously. “I knew it!” Tasha jumped around the kitchen. “I knew you liked guys that were totally hung! Whenever we were watching porn, you always acted like you weren’t staring when the really big studs were on screen, but I knewyou were staring at them. So, Chris is hung like those guys? Wow! Do you think he would let us see it?” Kimber grabbed a kitchen towel and snapped it at Tasha’s butt. “Would you shut up? Just because you are fixated on pics and videos doesn’t mean that everyone is. Anyway, you would know that Jen had a thing for well-endowed guys if you ever listened to her talk about Todd.” “Who?”, asked Tasha, rubbing her butt. “Todd, the guy she dated when she was a senior in high school. Jen complains about what a spineless creep he was, but she dated him all year. She said he was ‘pretty big’ more than once, so she must have been willing to put up with him for that. Is Chris as big as Todd was, Jen?” Jen snorted out loud. “Ha! As if! Chris is over twice as big soft as Todd ever was, hard!” Am I really that transparent about my size fetish? I thought I hid it pretty well. “Hang on, that doesn’t make sense.” Tasha scrunched up her face, remembering. “When we were partying Friday before last, you said that your ex was almost nine inches. If Chris is twice as big soft, he would be eighteen inches long before he had a hard on. Did you mean that Chris is twice as big hardas Todd was soft? No, that doesn’t sound very impressive. I’m confused.” There was no way around it. Jen bit the bullet. “I meant what I said. Chris is over twice as big softas Todd was hard. He’s nineteen inches.” Both Tasha and Kimber erupted in unison. “No freaking way!” “You have to be kidding. That’s impossible,” said Kimber, shaking her head. “Pics or it didn’t happen!”, cried Tasha. “No! No pics! No questions! No staring! “ Jen waved the wooden spoon in warning. “I told you; he’s really shy about this. I don’t want to have to smuggle him past you guys each time we come in. He’s going to come out here and have dinner and hang out with us. Nobody’s taking pictures of him, orvideo, Tasha, and nobody’s posting about it on their blog, or Facebook, or Twitter. I mean it, Kimber. If you make one tweet about this, I will never forgive you.” She took a deep breath. “I like Chris, and I want him to feel like he can be himself with me, and not put on an act like he has to on campus, okay?” Both girls reluctantly nodded their acquiescence. Oh, crap. I forgot to mention the other thing. Jen turned back to her roommates. “There’s just one other thing.” “What now?” cried Kimber. “He has twothings?!?” exclaimed Tasha, shortly before Kimber snapped the towel at her again. “Chris not only has a really big penis, but his testicles are really big, too. They are large normally, but when he hasn’t ‘expressed’ himself for a while, they get enormous. Please don’t tease him about it, okay?” She looked to her roommates for their agreement. ________________________________ From: Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 6:26 PM Subject: RE: job screening question
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era. If you so desire, give me about 2 hours since I do not have a scientific calculator handy; and I will get back to you with the complete-list.
Definitely not 5 words as required from the HR stand point. So I get disqualified again!
Hehehe. Ok. So if this was 1986 then the answer would be: No Hosts on the Network. There is only 1 host bit, and both available addresses would be reserved for the directed-broadcast and subnet-broadcast address respectively, leaving no space for an actual host, let alone 12 of them. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org
On Jul 7, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Randy <randy_94108@yahoo.com> wrote:
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"When a number received in an IP packet is presented in network byte order, and the host architecture is big endian, what must be done to convert the number into host byte order?" (one word answer)
My response would be to have a field-day with HR talking about MSB and LSB. Certainly wouldn't be a one-word answer. So HR disqualifies me?
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era. If you so desire, give me about 2 hours since I do not have a scientific calculator handy; and I will get back to you with the complete-list.
Definitely not 5 words as required from the HR stand point. So I get disqualified again!
./Randy
Oh, come on, 247 decimal is 0xf7... A single zero bit in the mask isn't enough for 12 hosts no matter where it is. If you need a scientific calculator and 2 hours for that, HR is right. Matthew Kaufman Sent from my iPad
On 7/8/12, Matthew Kaufman <matthew@matthew.at> wrote:
On Jul 7, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Randy <randy_94108@yahoo.com> wrote:
My response would be: Discontiguous subnet masks were allowed in the pre-CIDR era. If you so desire, give me about 2 hours since I do not have
See, I would advocate using the filter questions for sorting the apps, and tell the applicants "We're expecting a 5 words or less answer, not a history lesson or technical explanation."; if more than 25% of applicants out of say 1000 get it correct, then the filter is considered valid, and the ones that pass the most filter questions are the least likely to not be a waste of time. I'm not sure which era exactly in which you consider it legal and kosher to assign to a network, but even if you relax all the rules that require contiguity, it is still an illegal network mask for end hosts, just like 255.255.255.254 is; if an applicant doesn't flag it out as bad/invalid subnet mask in this era, then they might fail the filter, even if they correctly observe that you can't fit that many hosts in.
a scientific calculator handy; and I will get back to you with the complete-list.
A what?
Definitely not 5 words as required from the HR stand point. So I get disqualified again! ./Randy
Oh, come on, 247 decimal is 0xf7... A single zero bit in the mask isn't enough for 12 hosts no matter where it is.
Correct... it's not even enough bits for 1 end host; it's enough bits for 1 broadcast address.
If you need a scientific calculator and 2 hours for that, HR is right.
Matthew Kaufman Sent from my iPad
-- -JH
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure which era exactly in which you consider it legal and kosher to assign to a network, but even if you relax all the rules that require contiguity, it is still an illegal network mask for end hosts, just like 255.255.255.254 is; if an applicant doesn't flag it out as bad/invalid subnet mask in this era, then they might fail the filter,
Well, the correct answer is that it IS invalid (because the real world routers tell us so) and this should be the only acceptable answer, but, just to be sure, /31s are valid, can be used, and are used. -- William McCall
On 2012-07-08 00:58, Jimmy Hess wrote:
"What's the problem with using 255.255.255.247 as a subnet mask if you want to make a LAN subnet with 12 hosts?" (5 word answer)
I don't much appreciate these types of questions where you expect an exact answer based on your own phrasing/ideas. If running through a form with questions like this, leave space for open-ended answers to give the person a chance to phrase and explain in his own ways. Don't let the final "pass" or "no pass" fall to a HR person who can't fully appreciate or know the details and see the actual clue in an unexpected answer. You might lose a lot of really good candidates by being too harsh on that. Its benefical to build a team of clued people with the right personality, interest and mentality to what they do rather than seek people who has taught themselves how to answer certification tests in a way they know the creator of the test expects them. :) Hire for attitude, train for skill! -- /ahnberg.
Mattias Ahnberg wrote:
Its benefical to build a team of clued people with the right personality, interest and mentality to what they do rather than seek people who has taught themselves how to answer certification tests in a way they know the creator of the test expects them. :)
Just came across this tidbit: Technical Terms of Computer Science #515: "Certification: A business model that compresses hot air to paper, then trades it for currency."
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