Re: Thursday: Internet outage eastern Europe Iran and Turkey
--- sean@donelan.com wrote: From: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> I hadn't seen messages about this Internet outage affecting multiple countries (Eastern Europe, Turkey and Iran) from Thursday. Multiple fiber cuts affecting major parts of sub-continents don't happen as much any more. Yes, I still remember the day of FIVE (5) simultaneous, trans-continental fiber cuts in the USA. I was busy :-) I don't know if Internet route diversity has improved... or people aren't sending me messages about them anymore. --------------------------------- I have become quite interested in this lately. I don't send them to the list as no one seemed interested when I sent them before. For example, India as been turning off the internet like they turn the lights: https://internetshutdowns.in/ Kashmir has been without internet for over 100 days: https://guardian.ng/news/world/restive-kashmir-marks-100-days-since-india-st... Just think how you'd do anything without internet for 100+ days! ------------------------------------ Usually after a country as 3 or 4 major egress points, large-scale unintentional internet outages are relatively rare. Countries with only 1 or 2 egress points still have lots of problems. ------------------------------------ I'm not so sure 3-4 is a large enough number. Many countries are copying China in information repression (among other things) which includes building in the ability to turn off internet access (internationally as well as intranationally) as their network is built out. Funny that one thing something as large as a country is afraid of is normal folks talking to each other freely. They really don't like the end-to-end principle. :) scott https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50851420 Severed fibre optic cables disrupted internet access in parts of eastern Europe, Iran and Turkey on Thursday. The issue, which lasted for about two hours, was caused by multiple fibre cables being physically cut at the same time, a highly unusual thing to happen. [...]
I'm interested in these events. It might be worth making a separate list for them? On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 6:24 PM Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
--- sean@donelan.com wrote: From: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com>
I hadn't seen messages about this Internet outage affecting multiple countries (Eastern Europe, Turkey and Iran) from Thursday.
Multiple fiber cuts affecting major parts of sub-continents don't happen as much any more. Yes, I still remember the day of FIVE (5) simultaneous, trans-continental fiber cuts in the USA. I was busy :-)
I don't know if Internet route diversity has improved... or people aren't sending me messages about them anymore. ---------------------------------
I have become quite interested in this lately. I don't send them to the list as no one seemed interested when I sent them before. For example, India as been turning off the internet like they turn the lights:
Kashmir has been without internet for over 100 days:
https://guardian.ng/news/world/restive-kashmir-marks-100-days-since-india-st...
Just think how you'd do anything without internet for 100+ days!
------------------------------------ Usually after a country as 3 or 4 major egress points, large-scale unintentional internet outages are relatively rare. Countries with only 1 or 2 egress points still have lots of problems. ------------------------------------
I'm not so sure 3-4 is a large enough number. Many countries are copying China in information repression (among other things) which includes building in the ability to turn off internet access (internationally as well as intranationally) as their network is built out. Funny that one thing something as large as a country is afraid of is normal folks talking to each other freely. They really don't like the end-to-end principle. :)
scott
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50851420
Severed fibre optic cables disrupted internet access in parts of eastern Europe, Iran and Turkey on Thursday.
The issue, which lasted for about two hours, was caused by multiple fibre cables being physically cut at the same time, a highly unusual thing to happen. [...]
outages@ is that list I think? I do think the overall conversation about nation states disabling internet (which is not likely the case with Sean's original post?) is nanog-worthy. On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 7:41 PM Ross Tajvar <ross@tajvar.io> wrote:
I'm interested in these events. It might be worth making a separate list for them?
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 6:24 PM Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
--- sean@donelan.com wrote: From: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com>
I hadn't seen messages about this Internet outage affecting multiple countries (Eastern Europe, Turkey and Iran) from Thursday.
Multiple fiber cuts affecting major parts of sub-continents don't happen as much any more. Yes, I still remember the day of FIVE (5) simultaneous, trans-continental fiber cuts in the USA. I was busy :-)
I don't know if Internet route diversity has improved... or people aren't sending me messages about them anymore. ---------------------------------
I have become quite interested in this lately. I don't send them to the list as no one seemed interested when I sent them before. For example, India as been turning off the internet like they turn the lights:
Kashmir has been without internet for over 100 days:
https://guardian.ng/news/world/restive-kashmir-marks-100-days-since-india-st...
Just think how you'd do anything without internet for 100+ days!
------------------------------------ Usually after a country as 3 or 4 major egress points, large-scale unintentional internet outages are relatively rare. Countries with only 1 or 2 egress points still have lots of problems. ------------------------------------
I'm not so sure 3-4 is a large enough number. Many countries are copying China in information repression (among other things) which includes building in the ability to turn off internet access (internationally as well as intranationally) as their network is built out. Funny that one thing something as large as a country is afraid of is normal folks talking to each other freely. They really don't like the end-to-end principle. :)
scott
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50851420
Severed fibre optic cables disrupted internet access in parts of eastern Europe, Iran and Turkey on Thursday.
The issue, which lasted for about two hours, was caused by multiple fibre cables being physically cut at the same time, a highly unusual thing to happen. [...]
On 22/12/2019 02:08, Christopher Morrow wrote:
outages@ is that list I think?
For anyone looking for it: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages -- Mark Rousell
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