U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)
This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators. The wireless portion of the national test is scheduled 2 minutes (2:18pm EDT or 1818 UTC) before the main broadcast test at 2:20. Mobile phones usually receive the alert about a minute later. Radio and TV will receive the national alert a few minutes after 2:20pm. iPhone iOS 17 added a new feature for Wireless Emergency Alerts. When iOS 17 iPhones get a wireless emergency alert (WEA), it will trigger a data network query for additional information. Its a small query and response, but there are a lot of iPhones making the query at the same time (I'm assuming Apple engineer's have built in some time skew). Apple has assured FEMA that Apple's CDN and servers will be able to handle the triggered load. The iOS 17 triggered query will either be a tiny blip in the network graphs around 2:18pm to 2:22pm which no one will notice, or some CDNs and ISP operators will be wondering what that heck that spike was. If your phone is configured with Spanish, it will display the alert in both English and Spanish. “THIS IS A TEST of the National Wireless Emergency Alert System. No action is needed.” “ESTA ES UNA PRUEBA del Sistema Nacional de Alerta de Emergencia. No se necesita acción.” You'll know your iOS17 device did an extra data query, if it displays a longer message (extra sentences) in addition to the messages above. "This is only a test. No action is required by the public." https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20230803/fema-and-fcc-plan-nationwide-eme...
----- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan sean@donelan.com wrote: Hi,
This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators.
So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone went nuts. Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii. Thanks, Sabri
My watch went off. scared the beejeebus out of me -----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+bkain1=ford.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Sabri Berisha Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2023 2:21 PM To: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> Cc: nanog <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC) WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Motor Company. Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding. ----- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan sean@donelan.com wrote: Hi,
This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators.
So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone went nuts. Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii. Thanks, Sabri
Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency weather system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR. Joe Klein "inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1) "*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been." -- *Wayne Gretzky "I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 2:35 PM Ryan A. Krenzischek via NANOG < nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.
Ryan
My watch and phone went off neither Streaming TV nor any of my computers displayed anything. On 10/4/23 13:38, Joe Klein wrote:
Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency weather system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR.
Joe Klein
"inveniet viam, aut faciet"^ --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1) "/I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been." -- /Wayne Gretzky "I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 2:35 PM Ryan A. Krenzischek via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.
Ryan
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote:
I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.
Unless you keep turning your phone off, alerts have a serial number. Phones check the serial number for recently received alerts. Or so Android and iOS developers claim. If you are getting duplicate alerts, their advice is the standard I.T. mantra -- turn you phone off and on again.
Yes, I already tried rebooting several times. Perhaps a large hammer will fix it! At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency.
On Oct 4, 2023, at 14:42, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote:
I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.
Unless you keep turning your phone off, alerts have a serial number. Phones check the serial number for recently received alerts.
Or so Android and iOS developers claim. If you are getting duplicate alerts, their advice is the standard I.T. mantra -- turn you phone off and on again.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote:
Yes, I already tried rebooting several times. Perhaps a large hammer will fix it! At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency.
Everytime you turn off a mobile device, it clears the cache of previous alerts. You will receive the alert again when you turn the phone on, because the cache will be empty. In theory, after receiving the alert, the serial number will be in the cache. I do not know why Apple and Google software engineers have trouble with their phone software.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina wildfires. Seems like the same people who complain about the testing of public warning systems also complain when they don't get a warning about something that personally affected them. Public warning systems are designed to get your attention, wake you up, interrupt what you are doing. Nevertheless, I understand some people will remove the batteries from smoke alarms and turn off public alerts.
Some people have to for their safety or medical health (e.g. they're hiding a burner phone from an abusive relative, or their blood pressure goes up dangerously high when jumpscared). The kinds of people who remove batteries from smoke alarms are going to unfortunately use this affordance, if it's offered. I say let them. Le 4 octobre 2023 18:39:04 UTC, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> a écrit :
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina wildfires. Seems like the same people who complain about the testing of public warning systems also complain when they don't get a warning about something that personally affected them.
Public warning systems are designed to get your attention, wake you up, interrupt what you are doing.
Nevertheless, I understand some people will remove the batteries from smoke alarms and turn off public alerts.
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
There are dozens of WEA alerts every day, 365x7 days a year. If you leave a hidden burner phone turned on the other 364 days a year, it will make a noise from something else. Software mute buttons never mute everything. Some groups use once a year events to get publicity for their causes (zombies, 5G, complaints about government, whatever). Hawaii tests their state-wide siren system every month. There are likely a few people who complain they were sleeping when the sirens are tested. People who complain about everything, will likely complain about everything. On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Collider wrote:
Some people have to for their safety or medical health (e.g. they're hiding a burner phone from an abusive relative, or their blood pressure goes up dangerously high when jumpscared).
The kinds of people who remove batteries from smoke alarms are going to unfortunately use this affordance, if it's offered. I say let them.
I think this is what he was referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert Apparently we don't "all remember". On 10/4/2023 1:39 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina wildfires. Seems like the same people who complain about the testing of public warning systems also complain when they don't get a warning about something that personally affected them.
Public warning systems are designed to get your attention, wake you up, interrupt what you are doing.
Nevertheless, I understand some people will remove the batteries from smoke alarms and turn off public alerts.
Move? ... :-) On 10/4/23 12:21, Sabri Berisha wrote:
----- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan sean@donelan.com wrote:
Hi,
This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators. So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone went nuts.
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
Thanks,
Sabri
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, nanog08 wrote:
Move? ... :-)
Off planet? All countries in the European Union, plus at least 35 other countries around the world, have or will soon implement their county-specific version of Emergency Mobile Alerts. Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones sold in almost every country during the last 5 years. GSM standards are global. The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert" recently. People in countries with Prime Ministers or monarchs used to complain about Presidential Alerts, when they don't have a president. Streaming video services currently do not have emergency alerts. So a tornado destroying you house will be your warning while streaming or watching non-broadcast and non-cable TV.
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones sold in almost every country during the last 5 years. GSM standards are global. The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert" recently.
Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the US hasn't quite finished changing over yet. ^_^; (Samsung Galaxy phone) Matt
On Oct 4, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com <mailto:sean@donelan.com>> wrote:
Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones sold in almost every country during the last 5 years. GSM standards are global. The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert" recently.
Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the US hasn't quite finished changing over yet. ^_^; (Samsung Galaxy phone)
Since only the President or the Director of FEMA can issue it…. It’s not too terrible.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote:
Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the US hasn't quite finished changing over yet. ^_^; (Samsung Galaxy phone)
Yeah, Samsung is bad about releasing software updates for its older (a few months old) products. Think about out-of-date security patches :-) if Samsung doesn't update a text field.
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote: the
US hasn't quite finished changing over yet. ^_^; (Samsung Galaxy phone)
Yeah, Samsung is bad about releasing software updates for its older (a few months old) products.
Think about out-of-date security patches :-) if Samsung doesn't update a text field.
Ah, I didn't realize that was locally set on the device--I thought that was part of the message header in the message being sent out. Thanks for the clarification. ^_^ Matt
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote:
Ah, I didn't realize that was locally set on the device--I thought that was part of the message header in the message being sent out.
Thanks for the clarification. ^_^
Yep. That's why countries with a Prime Minister (or monarch or both) were complaining. Canada complained politely, but complained. :-) The Cell Broadcast channel is very bit-limited. No room for extra stuff. User interface presentation layer wrapper stuff is built into the handset. Other countries couldn't force the change themselves. Needed the U.S. to stop insisting on "Presidential Alert" label and the mobile phone OS vendors to update their global software releases. Mobile device manufactures would translate "Presidential Alert" into other languages, but wouldn't change it based on a country's political system outside of the U.S. Global standards are great. Tourist mobile phones work (and get emergency alerts) wherever governments send them, without needing funky Apps. Fun at the Olympics with visitors from around the world getting an alert for the first time. Yes, I know some countries still insist on local funky Apps. But the U.S. insistance on its way is a pain in the a**. Now need global mobile device manufactures to update their OS releases, everyone to buy new handsets or add it to the carrier localization configuration. Apple's forced iOS migrations upset some people, but it does keep its ecosystem up to date.
On 10/4/23 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone went nuts.
I'm in a similar situation.
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off. My understanding is that -- let's go with -- lesser priority sources can be silenced, but sufficiently high priority can't be. If the device is on, it's going to make noise. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023, at 15:09, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off.
My understanding is that -- let's go with -- lesser priority sources can be silenced, but sufficiently high priority can't be. If the device is on, it's going to make noise.
It must be nice to live in a country that uses the priorities! Canada's Alert Ready decided that people can't be trusted and sends ALL alerts at the "national alert" priority. (When Canada last tested in May, I had my phone on silent - the alert vibrated but did not make noise - which is a slight improvement, I guess). -- Harald Koch chk@pobox.com
Once upon a time, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> said:
I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off.
IIRC it is mandated that the vendors don't allow you to turn off the Presidential Alert class. However... if you have an Android device supported by LineageOS, you can turn them all off. Which I forgot to do, so an old no-SIM phone I use for some random things went off (curiously, it didn't go off until 8 minutes after my "regular" phone, and then only showed the Spanish version). -- Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>
----- On Oct 4, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Chris Adams cma@cmadams.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> said:
I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off.
IIRC it is mandated that the vendors don't allow you to turn off the Presidential Alert class.
If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous. My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was very disruptive as you can imagine. Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set to OFF on her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, why even have the menu option? The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people, however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals" like to think so. Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a one-bit flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts. This whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's first amendment rights. Thanks, Sabri
This whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's first amendment rights.
You are certainly free to criticize the system or the implementation, but nothing about this is a First Amendment issue. Just don't. On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 7:16 PM Sabri Berisha <sabri@cluecentral.net> wrote:
----- On Oct 4, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Chris Adams cma@cmadams.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> said:
I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off.
IIRC it is mandated that the vendors don't allow you to turn off the Presidential Alert class.
If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous.
My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was very disruptive as you can imagine.
Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set to OFF on her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, why even have the menu option?
The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people, however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals" like to think so.
Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a one-bit flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts. This whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's first amendment rights.
Thanks,
Sabri
On 10/4/23 6:15 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous.
Why is this outrageous?
My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was very disruptive as you can imagine.
I can understand and appreciate the situation.
Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set to OFF on her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, why even have the menu option?
Because the menu options apply to -- let's go with -- lesser priority / lower authority alerts.
The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people, however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals" like to think so.
I can't speak to the government's right to do something or not. But I can see why governments would want the ability for one person, or their proxies, to have the technical capability to send an alert to all devices in their territory. I think this is a case of where four nines of alerts can be suppressed in software, but the fifth nine deliberately can't be suppressed.
Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a one-bit flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts.
There is a test flag. My phone shows an option to ignore tests. My phone does ignore weekly tests without any problem. It seems to be that the powers that be decided to send this test without the test bit set. -- Or perhaps the presidential indicator is mutually exclusive to the test bit.
This whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's first amendment rights.
I disagree. But I digress.
Thanks,
:-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die
While I agree with the thrust of what Sabri is saying, let's not delude ourselves - this is not a freedom of speech/"1st amdt." issue. The freedom of the press does not mean the government is obligated not to favour given presses (to include its own). That one's religion - freedom of religion means the government cannot (dis)favour any religion to be practiced by any given person (except, in many European countries, the King). This is primarily a disability rights or equal protection issue (a disabled person should be able to choose some aspects of an emergency alert e.g. strobing their lights rather than firing a siren, or doing neither if their response to the startle response would train them to hit dismiss w/o reading, by which point the alert isn't saved as a notification). Disability rights frankly are not widely recognized by governments, even where laws exist. There's also the risk that this could create false alarm over non-alarming circumstances used spuriously by parties with alerting access. Le 5 octobre 2023 15:31:00 UTC, Grant Taylor via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> a écrit :
On 10/4/23 6:15 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous.
Why is this outrageous?
My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was very disruptive as you can imagine.
I can understand and appreciate the situation.
Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set to OFF on her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, why even have the menu option?
Because the menu options apply to -- let's go with -- lesser priority / lower authority alerts.
The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people, however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals" like to think so.
I can't speak to the government's right to do something or not.
But I can see why governments would want the ability for one person, or their proxies, to have the technical capability to send an alert to all devices in their territory.
I think this is a case of where four nines of alerts can be suppressed in software, but the fifth nine deliberately can't be suppressed.
Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a one-bit flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts.
There is a test flag.
My phone shows an option to ignore tests.
My phone does ignore weekly tests without any problem.
It seems to be that the powers that be decided to send this test without the test bit set. -- Or perhaps the presidential indicator is mutually exclusive to the test bit.
This whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's first amendment rights.
I disagree. But I digress.
Thanks,
:-)
-- Grant. . . . unix || die
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican house and republican senate, in 2006. The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration cadence (which is different than EAS), and the policies for alerting. Nation-wide testing (EAS) has been conducted since 2011. And nation-wide testing (WEA) since 2014. National tests were conducted almost every between 2011 and 2020, suspended during the pandemic. The national tests are announced at least 60 days in advance by the FCC and FEMA. News media have multiple stories. Most state and many local goverments also had notifications. If you haven't been involved with the disability community for a decade, and your school office didn't notify special education teachers about the news releases and government advance notifications, perhaps that's room for improvement with local school communications. Fire drills, tornado drills, etc. often involve loud sounds and flashing lights.
On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 2:58 PM, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican house and republican senate, in 2006.
The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration cadence (which is different than EAS), and the policies for alerting.
Nation-wide testing (EAS) has been conducted since 2011. And nation-wide testing (WEA) since 2014. National tests were conducted almost every between 2011 and 2020, suspended during the pandemic.
The national tests are announced at least 60 days in advance by the FCC and FEMA. News media have multiple stories. Most state and many local goverments also had notifications.
If you haven't been involved with the disability community for a decade, and your school office didn't notify special education teachers about the news releases and government advance notifications, perhaps that's room for improvement with local school communications. Fire drills, tornado drills, etc. often involve loud sounds and flashing lights.
Fine! In that case I *demand* that we stop having fires and tornados and similar. It's super-disruptive to have to go and hide in my basement *every single time* there is a tornado, or pull over every time a fire engine comes barreling down the road…. and those sirens!... and the flashy lights! Wake up people, fire truck and police sirens are *specifically designed* to disrupt! It's all part of their plan to, erm…. well, something something…. Ok, now that we have reached the absurdum part of reductio ad absurdum can we get back to network engineering? W
I'm not disabled (any more than being 58 years old makes you), but I know lots of people who are. And procmail still works just fine, I'm told. Cheers, -- jra ----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Baker" <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> To: "Warren Kumari" <warren@kumari.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, October 6, 2023 4:28:43 PM Subject: Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)
It’s been absurd for a while now…
Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways...
On Oct 6, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 2:58 PM, Sean Donelan < sean@donelan.com > wrote:
The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican house and republican senate, in 2006.
The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration cadence (which is different than EAS), and the policies for alerting.
Nation-wide testing (EAS) has been conducted since 2011. And nation-wide testing (WEA) since 2014. National tests were conducted almost every between 2011 and 2020, suspended during the pandemic.
The national tests are announced at least 60 days in advance by the FCC and FEMA. News media have multiple stories. Most state and many local goverments also had notifications.
If you haven't been involved with the disability community for a decade, and your school office didn't notify special education teachers about the news releases and government advance notifications, perhaps that's room for improvement with local school communications. Fire drills, tornado drills, etc. often involve loud sounds and flashing lights.
Fine! In that case I *demand* that we stop having fires and tornados and similar. It's super-disruptive to have to go and hide in my basement *every single time* there is a tornado, or pull over every time a fire engine comes barreling down the road…. and those sirens!... and the flashy lights! Wake up people, fire truck and police sirens are *specifically designed* to disrupt! It's all part of their plan to, erm…. well, something something….
Ok, now that we have reached the absurdum part of reductio ad absurdum can we get back to network engineering?
W
-- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha <sabri@cluecentral.net> wrote:
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
For the national alert you can't. That's intentional. Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the alert, it popped up on the screen, but no noise. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote:
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha <sabri@cluecentral.net> wrote:
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
For the national alert you can't. That's intentional.
Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the alert, it popped up on the screen, but no noise.
If you don't want any interruptions, you can set your phone to "Airplane Mode." Airplane Mode disables reception of all Wireless Emergency Alerts for as long as the phone stays in Airplane Mode.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com>
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote:
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha <sabri@cluecentral.net> wrote:
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii.
For the national alert you can't. That's intentional.
Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the alert, it popped up on the screen, but no noise.
If you don't want any interruptions, you can set your phone to "Airplane Mode." Airplane Mode disables reception of all Wireless Emergency Alerts for as long as the phone stays in Airplane Mode.
And it's even possible, on most phones I have used, to turn Airplane mode on, and then *turn wifi back on* -- that would get you most functionality, while still precluding WEA/CMAS alerts. I think I've got that right, don't I, Sean? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup. Why interrupt cell phones, AM/FM radio stations, and TV stations, but exclude NOAA weather radios? -A On Sun Oct 1, 2023, 10:24 PM GMT, Sean Donelan <mailto:sean@donelan.com> wrote:
This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators.
The wireless portion of the national test is scheduled 2 minutes (2:18pm EDT or 1818 UTC) before the main broadcast test at 2:20. Mobile phones usually receive the alert about a minute later. Radio and TV will receive the national alert a few minutes after 2:20pm.
iPhone iOS 17 added a new feature for Wireless Emergency Alerts. When iOS 17 iPhones get a wireless emergency alert (WEA), it will trigger a data network query for additional information. Its a small query and response, but there are a lot of iPhones making the query at the same time (I'm assuming Apple engineer's have built in some time skew).
Apple has assured FEMA that Apple's CDN and servers will be able to handle the triggered load.
The iOS 17 triggered query will either be a tiny blip in the network graphs around 2:18pm to 2:22pm which no one will notice, or some CDNs and ISP operators will be wondering what that heck that spike was.
If your phone is configured with Spanish, it will display the alert in both English and Spanish.
“THIS IS A TEST of the National Wireless Emergency Alert System. No action is needed.”
“ESTA ES UNA PRUEBA del Sistema Nacional de Alerta de Emergencia. No se necesita acción.”
You'll know your iOS17 device did an extra data query, if it displays a longer message (extra sentences) in addition to the messages above.
"This is only a test. No action is required by the public."
https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20230803/fema-and-fcc-plan-nationwide-eme...
On 10/4/23 1:45 PM, Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup.
That surprises me. Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios use? Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / lack of data issue? Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?
Why interrupt cell phones, AM/FM radio stations, and TV stations, but exclude NOAA weather radios?
This seems like a failure to me. Or there's an official deprecation for the venerable NOAA / S.A.M.E. radios that I grew up with, which I'm not aware of. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Inter-agency bureaucracy. FEMA is part of Homeland Security. National Weather Service is part of the Commerce Department. Different departments of the government. Weather radios will active for a White House issued alert from the President. NOAA doesn't activate weather radios for FEMA tests. Because. FEMA does activate WEA for specific NOAA/NWS high-impact alerts, and Earthquake alerts from USGS. FEMA, NWS, etc have FAQs and have briefed the press since 2011. Public warning in the U.S. is FURBARed if you look too deeply. But most people don't care until a tornado blows through their house at 2am. On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
On 10/4/23 1:45 PM, Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup.
That surprises me.
Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios use?
Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / lack of data issue?
Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?
Once upon a time, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> said:
Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / lack of data issue?
At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the high and immediate impact warnings like tornado). I would expect the Presidential Alert class to be the same, if it exists.
Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?
My weather radio went off for the regular weekly test a couple of hours before the national alert test, and did not go off for the national alert. -- Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> said:
Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / lack of data issue?
At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the high and immediate impact warnings like tornado). I would expect the Presidential Alert class to be the same, if it exists.
Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?
My weather radio went off for the regular weekly test a couple of hours before the national alert test, and did not go off for the national alert.
-- Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>
Fema's press release goes into details. https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20230803/fema-and-fcc-plan-nationwide-eme... Ted
On 10/4/23 12:14, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup.
That surprises me.
Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios use?
Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / lack of data issue?
Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?
I was told this was intentional, as the intent was to test IPAWS and associated technologies vs. the NPT chain. I work at a few small radio stations, so this was most of my day. The FCC is mandating (very shortly) that broadcasters start weighting the digital alerts over the messages received from other radio stations, which is an upgrade that's going to cost us a bit. -Sam
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