The box Jason was telling me about was the Calix 836GE, which, Leo, will make you happy cause it's a router/wifi/bridge with what looks to me like a Duplex-LC connector on the back. Its companion is their E7-20, a 20-slot chassis that will do (presently) 480 home-run ports or 10k GPONs in what looks like about 10U; double density linecards (which might well be just bidirectional optics, though the front panels don't look at all crowded just now) are in the pipe. If anyone's got this stuff deployed, and can whisper in my ear offlist a rough estimate of what price class it's in, that'd be neat. Yes, Calix reps are on the list; remember; I'm a 24-month client, minimum. Probably 36. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274