Hi all, It's super official now: no more software bugs in networking gear. Sorry it took so long to document what the best current practise is! Kind regards, Job / Chris / Remco ----- Forwarded message from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org ----- Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 9225 on Software Defects Considered Harmful A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 9225 Title: Software Defects Considered Harmful Author: J. Snijders, C. Morrow, R. van Mook Status: Informational Stream: Independent Date: 1 April 2022 Mailbox: job@fastly.com, morrowc@ops-netman.net, remco@asteroidhq.com Pages: 6 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-dont-write-bugs-00.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9225 DOI: 10.17487/RFC9225 This document discourages the practice of introducing software defects in general and in network protocol implementations specifically. Software defects are one of the largest cost drivers for the networking industry. This document is intended to clarify the best current practice in this regard. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce https://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/search For downloading RFCs, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/retrieve/bulk Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce ----- End forwarded message -----
If there's a bug in an ISP's implementation of RFC2549 carrier 'equipment', is that considered a software bug, hardware, or subject of ornithological research? On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 at 10:40, Job Snijders via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
Hi all,
It's super official now: no more software bugs in networking gear. Sorry it took so long to document what the best current practise is!
Kind regards,
Job / Chris / Remco
----- Forwarded message from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org ----- Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 9225 on Software Defects Considered Harmful
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.
RFC 9225
Title: Software Defects Considered Harmful Author: J. Snijders, C. Morrow, R. van Mook Status: Informational Stream: Independent Date: 1 April 2022 Mailbox: job@fastly.com, morrowc@ops-netman.net, remco@asteroidhq.com Pages: 6 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None
I-D Tag: draft-dont-write-bugs-00.txt
URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9225 DOI: 10.17487/RFC9225
This document discourages the practice of introducing software defects in general and in network protocol implementations specifically. Software defects are one of the largest cost drivers for the networking industry. This document is intended to clarify the best current practice in this regard.
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On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 3:12 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:
If there's a bug in an ISP's implementation of RFC2549 carrier 'equipment', is that considered a software bug, hardware, or subject of ornithological research?
Certainly that would depend on what part of the pipeline was involved, no?
On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 at 10:40, Job Snijders via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
Hi all,
It's super official now: no more software bugs in networking gear. Sorry it took so long to document what the best current practise is!
Kind regards,
Job / Chris / Remco
----- Forwarded message from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org ----- Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 9225 on Software Defects Considered Harmful
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.
RFC 9225
Title: Software Defects Considered Harmful Author: J. Snijders, C. Morrow, R. van Mook Status: Informational Stream: Independent Date: 1 April 2022 Mailbox: job@fastly.com, morrowc@ops-netman.net, remco@asteroidhq.com Pages: 6 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None
I-D Tag: draft-dont-write-bugs-00.txt
URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9225 DOI: 10.17487/RFC9225
This document discourages the practice of introducing software defects in general and in network protocol implementations specifically. Software defects are one of the largest cost drivers for the networking industry. This document is intended to clarify the best current practice in this regard.
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This is a complete aside, but still germane given todays date. For the youngsters among us, the title of this RFC is a sarcastic homage to one of the landmark computer papers of the 1960s: “Go To Statement Considered Harmful“, by legendary computer scientist Edsger Dijkstra. Published to the Communications of the ACM as a letter in 1968, the concept was one of the founding principles of what would become structured programming. Typically this homage is used in parody (or, possibly, parity), and has been so dozens of times. Other famous papers snowcloning the title include “Networks Considered Harmful for Electronic Mail“, and “The Letter O Considered Harmful.“ But the sarcasm is often lost on what Ronald Reagan would call people imbued with “youth and inexperience”. I once submitted just such a parody article for publication entitled “IP Addresses Considered Harmful.“ A youthful, inexperienced, yet trying-to-be-helpful editor changed it to “Network Engineer Says IP Addresses are a Bad Idea.“ It’s undeniably true that youth is wasted on the young :) -mel beckman On Apr 1, 2022, at 12:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote: If there's a bug in an ISP's implementation of RFC2549 carrier 'equipment', is that considered a software bug, hardware, or subject of ornithological research? On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 at 10:40, Job Snijders via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: Hi all, It's super official now: no more software bugs in networking gear. Sorry it took so long to document what the best current practise is! Kind regards, Job / Chris / Remco ----- Forwarded message from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org<mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> ----- Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org<mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> To: ietf-announce@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org>, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org<mailto:rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org> Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org<mailto:drafts-update-ref@iana.org>, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org<mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> Subject: RFC 9225 on Software Defects Considered Harmful A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 9225 Title: Software Defects Considered Harmful Author: J. Snijders, C. Morrow, R. van Mook Status: Informational Stream: Independent Date: 1 April 2022 Mailbox: job@fastly.com<mailto:job@fastly.com>, morrowc@ops-netman.net<mailto:morrowc@ops-netman.net>, remco@asteroidhq.com<mailto:remco@asteroidhq.com> Pages: 6 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-dont-write-bugs-00.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9225 DOI: 10.17487/RFC9225 This document discourages the practice of introducing software defects in general and in network protocol implementations specifically. Software defects are one of the largest cost drivers for the networking industry. This document is intended to clarify the best current practice in this regard. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce https://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/search For downloading RFCs, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/retrieve/bulk Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org<mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org<mailto:IETF-Announce@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce ----- End forwarded message -----
participants (4)
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Christopher Morrow
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Eric Kuhnke
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Job Snijders
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Mel Beckman