ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl
FBI agents, like most cops, aren't inclined to believe in coincidence. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/fbi-mulls-connection-between-supe... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Correct me if I’m wrong, but these FO vandalisms have been going on in the bay area since before the stadium was even funded. This leads me to believe that this is just another example of an LE landgrab. Owen
On Jan 19, 2016, at 07:47 , Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
FBI agents, like most cops, aren't inclined to believe in coincidence.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/fbi-mulls-connection-between-supe...
Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, Owen DeLong wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but these FO vandalisms have been going on in the bay area since before the stadium was even funded.
This leads me to believe that this is just another example of an LE landgrab.
Or a media site generating click bait. Before significant public events, as part of their planning, law enforcement and security folks prepare long lists of potential things that could happen. There are often hundreds of potential things that could happen. They range from reuniting lost parents/childen and first aid stations up to earthquakes and mass casualty events. Potential loss of telecommunications due to an accident, natural hazard or malicious actors seems like something that should be on the planning list. Proper Planning and Practice Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
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From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
Correct me if I’m wrong, but these FO vandalisms have been going on in the bay area since before the stadium was even funded.
This leads me to believe that this is just another example of an LE landgrab.
How old's the stadium? The article does mention late '14. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Broke ground in April 2012 http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20434376/49ers-break-ground-t... -Grant On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
Correct me if I’m wrong, but these FO vandalisms have been going on in the bay area since before the stadium was even funded.
This leads me to believe that this is just another example of an LE landgrab.
How old's the stadium? The article does mention late '14.
Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Am I the only one who thinks the below line is BS? "...pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control." If there is not safeguards in-place for "normal" network issues then we would of heard of injuries before. On 19 January 2016 at 21:30, Grant Ridder <shortdudey123@gmail.com> wrote:
Broke ground in April 2012 http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20434376/49ers-break-ground-t...
-Grant
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
Correct me if I’m wrong, but these FO vandalisms have been going on in the bay area since before the stadium was even funded.
This leads me to believe that this is just another example of an LE landgrab.
How old's the stadium? The article does mention late '14.
Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
-- BaconZombie 55:55:44:44:4C:52:4C:52:42:41 LOAD "*",8,1
Well, ( In context ) I can tell you that a 4 propeller's drone to the face kinda hurt. Because that was the context where that quote was ripped from. ----- What's more, the memo also asserted that drones used by "malicious" actors "may present a low-altitude hazard to aviation assets supporting the event, allow unauthorized video coverage of events, or pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control." ----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 On 01/19/16 15:37, Bacon Zombie wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the below line is BS?
"...pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control."
If there is not safeguards in-place for "normal" network issues then we would of heard of injuries before.
On 19 January 2016 at 21:30, Grant Ridder <shortdudey123@gmail.com> wrote:
Broke ground in April 2012 http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20434376/49ers-break-ground-t...
-Grant
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> Correct me if I’m wrong, but these FO vandalisms have been going on in
----- Original Message ----- the bay
area since before the stadium was even funded.
This leads me to believe that this is just another example of an LE landgrab.
How old's the stadium? The article does mention late '14.
Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
I fail to see how drones relate to fiber cuts and the superbowl. Did the article author just throw that in there? The news helicopter getting aerial footage also poses a risk, so not sure what's special about drones. On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Alain Hebert <ahebert@pubnix.net> wrote:
Well,
( In context )
I can tell you that a 4 propeller's drone to the face kinda hurt.
Because that was the context where that quote was ripped from.
-----
What's more, the memo also asserted that drones used by "malicious" actors "may present a low-altitude hazard to aviation assets supporting the event, allow unauthorized video coverage of events, or pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control."
----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443
On 01/19/16 15:37, Bacon Zombie wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the below line is BS?
"...pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control."
If there is not safeguards in-place for "normal" network issues then we would of heard of injuries before.
On 19 January 2016 at 21:30, Grant Ridder <shortdudey123@gmail.com> wrote:
Broke ground in April 2012
http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_20434376/49ers-break-ground-t...
-Grant
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
wrote:
From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> Correct me if I’m wrong, but these FO vandalisms have been going on in
----- Original Message ----- the bay
area since before the stadium was even funded.
This leads me to believe that this is just another example of an LE landgrab.
How old's the stadium? The article does mention late '14.
Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think
RFC
2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:41:31 -0600, Rafael Possamai said:
I fail to see how drones relate to fiber cuts and the superbowl. Did the article author just throw that in there? The news helicopter getting aerial footage also poses a risk, so not sure what's special about drones.
Drones don't cost $200 per hour to keep in the air, and they're not as obvious as a helicopter. So it becomes a lot easier to get in there and grab some unauthorized video....
Helicopters near the Super Bowl are cleared to be there and are flown by vetted professional pilots. A human pilot in a helicopter presumably has some kind of qualification to be there while a drone (although I don't like that word) could be flown by any moron with a couple hundred bucks. I also think the government is going completely overboard with the "drone threat" but in the case of the Super Bowl, there should definitely be a reasonable restriction on drone flights, ANY flight for that matter. I think reasonable drone pilots would agree with that. Steven Naslund Chicago IL -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:46 AM To: Rafael Possamai Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:41:31 -0600, Rafael Possamai said:
I fail to see how drones relate to fiber cuts and the superbowl. Did the article author just throw that in there? The news helicopter getting aerial footage also poses a risk, so not sure what's special about drones.
Drones don't cost $200 per hour to keep in the air, and they're not as obvious as a helicopter. So it becomes a lot easier to get in there and grab some unauthorized video....
On 1/20/16 08:25, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Helicopters near the Super Bowl are cleared to be there and are flown by vetted professional pilots. A human pilot in a helicopter presumably has some kind of qualification to be there while a drone (although I don't like that word) could be flown by any moron with a couple hundred bucks. I also think the government is going completely overboard with the "drone threat" but in the case of the Super Bowl, there should definitely be a reasonable restriction on drone flights, ANY flight for that matter. I think reasonable drone pilots would agree with that. Can't wait for autonomous drones in the $50 range. And the autonomous counter-drones.
Steven Naslund Chicago IL
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:46 AM To: Rafael Possamai Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:41:31 -0600, Rafael Possamai said:
I fail to see how drones relate to fiber cuts and the superbowl. Did the article author just throw that in there? The news helicopter getting aerial footage also poses a risk, so not sure what's special about drones. Drones don't cost $200 per hour to keep in the air, and they're not as obvious as a helicopter. So it becomes a lot easier to get in there and grab some unauthorized video....
*Twitch **Plays* Super Bowl Drone needs to be a thing. On 20 Jan 2016 17:43, "Scott Whyte" <swhyte@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/20/16 08:25, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Helicopters near the Super Bowl are cleared to be there and are flown by vetted professional pilots. A human pilot in a helicopter presumably has some kind of qualification to be there while a drone (although I don't like that word) could be flown by any moron with a couple hundred bucks. I also think the government is going completely overboard with the "drone threat" but in the case of the Super Bowl, there should definitely be a reasonable restriction on drone flights, ANY flight for that matter. I think reasonable drone pilots would agree with that.
Can't wait for autonomous drones in the $50 range. And the autonomous counter-drones.
Steven Naslund Chicago IL
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:46 AM To: Rafael Possamai Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:41:31 -0600, Rafael Possamai said:
I fail to see how drones relate to fiber cuts and the superbowl. Did the article author just throw that in there? The news helicopter getting aerial footage also poses a risk, so not sure what's special about drones.
Drones don't cost $200 per hour to keep in the air, and they're not as obvious as a helicopter. So it becomes a lot easier to get in there and grab some unauthorized video....
Unmanned aircraft systems are subject to the same Temporary Flight Restrictions(TFR) as manned aircraft. While the TFRs for Superbowl 50 are not yet published, you can be assured that the FAA will issue some and likely several. Most likely everything below at least 10,000 feet for at least a 5 nautical mile radius of the stadium will be closed to all but the following: 1. Flight operations in support of the superbowl authorized by superbowl management 2. Scheduled Air Carriers 3. Military 4. Law Enforcement 5. Medical/Emergency Services 6. Possibly certain other flights authorized by ATC and on a discrete transponder code. It’s not unlikely that this will go to 18,000 instead of just 10,000 and also not unlikely that this could extend to 10 or even 15 nautical miles. Personally, I’m planning to drive out of the area on the 5th and not return until the 11th or maybe even the 12th to avoid the whole mess. I want nothing to do with the first Superbowl in the worst possible place to put a stadium in the bay area. Whatever idiot(s) thought putting a major stadium at the confluence of the most congested freeways in the bay area was a good idea should be flayed. The only good thing I can say about the stadium is that unlike the San Jose Arena, I am not being forced to subsidize Levi’s advertising through taxes to the best of my knowledge. I expect the traffic on the ground to be a nightmare and everything related to aviation in the area to be even worse. There will likely be limited landing and parking reservation slots allocated at all surrounding airports (SJC, HWD, RHV, E16, PAO, and possibly even SQL, SFO, OAK, CVH, SNS). According to preliminary data, the Superbowl will affect operations at APC, CCR, CVH, HWD, LVK, MRY, OAK, PAO, RHV, SCK, SFO, SNS, SQL, STS, and WVI. (Not sure why E16 didn’t make the list, but I guarantee you it will be affected). “Special security provisions” whatever that means will be implmented in the San Jose and San Francisco areas three to five days prior to the Super Bowl. More information can be found here: http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2016/January/05/Super-Bowl-50-fl... <http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2016/January/05/Super-Bowl-50-flight-advisory-coming> Owen Commercial Pilot, Airplane Single Engine Land, Instrument Airplane Drone enthusiast AOPA Member
On Jan 20, 2016, at 08:25 , Naslund, Steve <SNaslund@medline.com> wrote:
Helicopters near the Super Bowl are cleared to be there and are flown by vetted professional pilots. A human pilot in a helicopter presumably has some kind of qualification to be there while a drone (although I don't like that word) could be flown by any moron with a couple hundred bucks. I also think the government is going completely overboard with the "drone threat" but in the case of the Super Bowl, there should definitely be a reasonable restriction on drone flights, ANY flight for that matter. I think reasonable drone pilots would agree with that.
Steven Naslund Chicago IL
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:46 AM To: Rafael Possamai Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:41:31 -0600, Rafael Possamai said:
I fail to see how drones relate to fiber cuts and the superbowl. Did the article author just throw that in there? The news helicopter getting aerial footage also poses a risk, so not sure what's special about drones.
Drones don't cost $200 per hour to keep in the air, and they're not as obvious as a helicopter. So it becomes a lot easier to get in there and grab some unauthorized video....
On 01/19/2016 12:37 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the below line is BS?
"...pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control."
If there is not safeguards in-place for "normal" network issues then we would of heard of injuries before.
I think that line refers to drone operators ...
I'm fairly certain they are most concerned with this specific section: "allow unauthorized video coverage of events". It's not surprising they threw a drone into the story, seems to be all anyone talks about these days... -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Doug Barton Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 3:58 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl On 01/19/2016 12:37 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the below line is BS?
"...pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control."
If there is not safeguards in-place for "normal" network issues then we would of heard of injuries before.
I think that line refers to drone operators ...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 1/19/2016 4:33 PM, Mario Eirea wrote:
I'm fairly certain they are most concerned with this specific section: "allow unauthorized video coverage of events". It's not surprising they threw a drone into the story, seems to be all anyone talks about these days...
While I agree that the broadcast networks are concerned about unauthorized recording and/or rebroadcasting of the event, there's also a precedent on a drone crashing during a high-profile sporting event in the U.S.: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/us-open-tennis-drone-arrest/index.html $.02, - - ferg
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Doug Barton Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 3:58 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl
On 01/19/2016 12:37 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the below line is BS?
"...pose a risk of injury to event-goers if an operator loses control."
If there is not safeguards in-place for "normal" network issues then we would of heard of injuries before.
I think that line refers to drone operators ...
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Enclosed stadiums won't have to worry about remote drones until they get smart enough to open doors on their own. Not sure why the NFL gets uptight about unauthorized recording. Most sporting events have little value once the event is over. matthew black -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl While I agree that the broadcast networks are concerned about unauthorized recording and/or rebroadcasting of the event, there's also a precedent on a drone crashing during a high-profile sporting event in the U.S.: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/us-open-tennis-drone-arrest/index.html $.02, - - ferg
Drones could do unauthorized streaming just as well as unauthorized recording. Also, the Santa Clara stadium is not enclosed. Owen
On Jan 20, 2016, at 15:56 , Matthew Black <Matthew.Black@csulb.edu> wrote:
Enclosed stadiums won't have to worry about remote drones until they get smart enough to open doors on their own. Not sure why the NFL gets uptight about unauthorized recording. Most sporting events have little value once the event is over.
matthew black
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl
While I agree that the broadcast networks are concerned about unauthorized recording and/or rebroadcasting of the event, there's also a precedent on a drone crashing during a high-profile sporting event in the U.S.:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/us-open-tennis-drone-arrest/index.html
$.02,
- - ferg
On January 20, 2016 at 23:56 Matthew.Black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) wrote:
Enclosed stadiums won't have to worry about remote drones until they get smart enough to open doors on their own. Not sure why the NFL gets uptight about unauthorized recording. Most sporting events have little value once the event is over.
Control. Which might include contractual obligations like against showing some big-shot coach or player picking his nose or crying or whatever (tho spitting seems ok even on artificial turf yuck!), upskirts, whatever. Maybe certain people in attendance particularly in the expensive boxes don't want to be shown (e.g., with their, um, girlfriends), etc etc etc. At least some money would be in bloopers or scandals. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
WHo cares? TOG (your third party shooting what you loosly call un-authorized video) is not a party to the contract and therefore does not give a flying fuck what it says. Nor do the parties to the contract have anything to say about the matter. So in other words, TOG is free to do whatever he pleases and there is nothing that anyone can legally do about it. Get that down your gullet and choke on it. In fact, TOG can sue anyone who attempts to unlawfully prevent him from exercizing his unrestricted rights. Get that in ya, you fascist commie bastard.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kmedcalf=dessus.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of bzs@theworld.com Sent: Thursday, 21 January, 2016 13:04 To: Matthew Black Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: ICYMI: FBI looking into LA fiber cuts, Super Bowl
On January 20, 2016 at 23:56 Matthew.Black@csulb.edu (Matthew Black) wrote:
Enclosed stadiums won't have to worry about remote drones until they get smart enough to open doors on their own. Not sure why the NFL gets uptight about unauthorized recording. Most sporting events have little value once the event is over.
Control. Which might include contractual obligations like against showing some big-shot coach or player picking his nose or crying or whatever (tho spitting seems ok even on artificial turf yuck!), upskirts, whatever. Maybe certain people in attendance particularly in the expensive boxes don't want to be shown (e.g., with their, um, girlfriends), etc etc etc.
At least some money would be in bloopers or scandals.
-- -Barry Shein
Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
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