Anyone else get mail from this idiot? Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail: Dear sir or madam -- =20 It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS = BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your = system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that = you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST = use of this list IMMEDIATELY. =20 Here is why: =20 My company, BBS PRESS SERVICE, INC., designs and hosts Web sites. That's = all we do. We don't sell access to the Internet. We don't sell E-mail = accounts. Besides some E-mail accounts for our employees to use when = contacting our customers, and one E-mail account we use to send out a = weekly newsletter to our customers, we don't generally handle any E-mail = at all. =20 I am anti-SPAM. I advise all of my 5,000+ clients against the use of = SPAM. Still, two have used it to promote sites we host for them. =20 Naturally, this resulted in our receiving the usual barrage of E-mails = DEMANDING that we remove the Web sites of the offending parties. Our = attorneys have advised us that it is NOT in our best interest to do so. = Removing the Web site of anyone for something they did OUTSIDE of our = system, even if it was indeed PROMOTING a site hosted on our system, = would in fact expose my company to possible lawsuit from the SPAMMER! =20 I understand many Web site design and hosting services stipulate in = their contracts that they reserve the right to pull any site if evidence = of SPAMMING is seen -- but my attorneys have also advised me that this = is completely unenforceable in court and wouldn't stand up to a court = challenge. =20 I don't know about you but I am totally opposed to being REQUIRED to = take action against anyone for anything they've done outside of my = control. Do we also want to become liable for pulling Web sites held by = anyone who is convicted of a crime...any crime? Wouldn't this lead to = the requirement of background checks, to make sure a Web site customer = has never indeed beenconvicted of a crime? =20 The ramifications are tremendous. =20 Anyway -- I write to anyone complaining about SPAM from a client of mine = (and they do track down the Web site host even if we didn't originate = the SPAM) and inform them of my position. =20 One person apparently forwarded my reply to MAPS. Even though my reply = states CLEARLY that I am OPPOSED to SPAM, the kind folks at MAPS decided = to add my company's IP to the list anyway. The problem is -- they won't = TALK about resolving the problem. Their "volunteer" hung up on me when I = called, after first being outright surly and rude with me. I tried = E-mailing Paul Vix to tell him to remove my company's IP from his list = but -- guess what -- my E-mail got REJECTED by his system because he = uses the list! I finally got a message through by going through another = provider. Meanwhile Paul Vix has not returned my urgent calls and hasn't = been available on the phone when I do call. =20 This is causing my company irreparable harm. MAPS' whole attitude and = the way they create their so-called LIST is, because of my case alone, = entirely questionable. And he has left me little choice but to file suit = against Paul, MAPS and anyone associated with the LIST or using it in = their products or on their services. =20 This is where you come in. I am writing to tell you right now -- cease = and desist from using the MAPS BLACKHOLE list on your service = IMMEDIATELY. I will be including anyone and everyone still using the = MAPS list in my lawsuit against MAPS. Period. =20 You might also want to contact Paul Vixie and let him know the legal = jeopardy his methods have placed you in. By comparison, the SPAMMERS are = starting to look like the "good guys." I know they're not and you know = they're not but MAPS must end here and now. =20 I would appreciate your comments and cooperation. =20 [Mime entry text/html removed]
Anyone else get mail from this idiot?
Not so far. He's welcome to THREATEN us. I'm wondering whether ANYONE has ever filed a LAWSUIT with regards to the RBL. Ehud "has anyone seen my CAPS LOCK KEY" Gavron
Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail:
Dear sir or madam -- =20 It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS = BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your = system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that = you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST = use of this list IMMEDIATELY. =20 Here is why: =20 My company, BBS PRESS SERVICE, INC., designs and hosts Web sites. That's = all we do. We don't sell access to the Internet. We don't sell E-mail = accounts. Besides some E-mail accounts for our employees to use when = contacting our customers, and one E-mail account we use to send out a = weekly newsletter to our customers, we don't generally handle any E-mail = at all. =20 I am anti-SPAM. I advise all of my 5,000+ clients against the use of = SPAM. Still, two have used it to promote sites we host for them. =20 Naturally, this resulted in our receiving the usual barrage of E-mails = DEMANDING that we remove the Web sites of the offending parties. Our = attorneys have advised us that it is NOT in our best interest to do so. = Removing the Web site of anyone for something they did OUTSIDE of our = system, even if it was indeed PROMOTING a site hosted on our system, = would in fact expose my company to possible lawsuit from the SPAMMER! =20 I understand many Web site design and hosting services stipulate in = their contracts that they reserve the right to pull any site if evidence = of SPAMMING is seen -- but my attorneys have also advised me that this = is completely unenforceable in court and wouldn't stand up to a court = challenge. =20 I don't know about you but I am totally opposed to being REQUIRED to = take action against anyone for anything they've done outside of my = control. Do we also want to become liable for pulling Web sites held by = anyone who is convicted of a crime...any crime? Wouldn't this lead to = the requirement of background checks, to make sure a Web site customer = has never indeed beenconvicted of a crime? =20 The ramifications are tremendous. =20 Anyway -- I write to anyone complaining about SPAM from a client of mine = (and they do track down the Web site host even if we didn't originate = the SPAM) and inform them of my position. =20 One person apparently forwarded my reply to MAPS. Even though my reply = states CLEARLY that I am OPPOSED to SPAM, the kind folks at MAPS decided = to add my company's IP to the list anyway. The problem is -- they won't = TALK about resolving the problem. Their "volunteer" hung up on me when I = called, after first being outright surly and rude with me. I tried = E-mailing Paul Vix to tell him to remove my company's IP from his list = but -- guess what -- my E-mail got REJECTED by his system because he = uses the list! I finally got a message through by going through another = provider. Meanwhile Paul Vix has not returned my urgent calls and hasn't = been available on the phone when I do call. =20 This is causing my company irreparable harm. MAPS' whole attitude and = the way they create their so-called LIST is, because of my case alone, = entirely questionable. And he has left me little choice but to file suit = against Paul, MAPS and anyone associated with the LIST or using it in = their products or on their services. =20 This is where you come in. I am writing to tell you right now -- cease = and desist from using the MAPS BLACKHOLE list on your service = IMMEDIATELY. I will be including anyone and everyone still using the = MAPS list in my lawsuit against MAPS. Period. =20 You might also want to contact Paul Vixie and let him know the legal = jeopardy his methods have placed you in. By comparison, the SPAMMERS are = starting to look like the "good guys." I know they're not and you know = they're not but MAPS must end here and now. =20 I would appreciate your comments and cooperation. =20
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Well spamming is against the law in California last I read and if you have an office here or branch you can counter sue and have them criminally charged. Correct me if I am wrong. Henry R. Linneweh Ehud Gavron wrote:
Anyone else get mail from this idiot?
Not so far. He's welcome to THREATEN us. I'm wondering whether ANYONE has ever filed a LAWSUIT with regards to the RBL.
Ehud "has anyone seen my CAPS LOCK KEY" Gavron
Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail:
Dear sir or madam -- =20 It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS = BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your = system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that = you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST = use of this list IMMEDIATELY. =20 Here is why: =20 My company, BBS PRESS SERVICE, INC., designs and hosts Web sites. That's = all we do. We don't sell access to the Internet. We don't sell E-mail = accounts. Besides some E-mail accounts for our employees to use when = contacting our customers, and one E-mail account we use to send out a = weekly newsletter to our customers, we don't generally handle any E-mail = at all. =20 I am anti-SPAM. I advise all of my 5,000+ clients against the use of = SPAM. Still, two have used it to promote sites we host for them. =20 Naturally, this resulted in our receiving the usual barrage of E-mails = DEMANDING that we remove the Web sites of the offending parties. Our = attorneys have advised us that it is NOT in our best interest to do so. = Removing the Web site of anyone for something they did OUTSIDE of our = system, even if it was indeed PROMOTING a site hosted on our system, = would in fact expose my company to possible lawsuit from the SPAMMER! =20 I understand many Web site design and hosting services stipulate in = their contracts that they reserve the right to pull any site if evidence = of SPAMMING is seen -- but my attorneys have also advised me that this = is completely unenforceable in court and wouldn't stand up to a court = challenge. =20 I don't know about you but I am totally opposed to being REQUIRED to = take action against anyone for anything they've done outside of my = control. Do we also want to become liable for pulling Web sites held by = anyone who is convicted of a crime...any crime? Wouldn't this lead to = the requirement of background checks, to make sure a Web site customer = has never indeed beenconvicted of a crime? =20 The ramifications are tremendous. =20 Anyway -- I write to anyone complaining about SPAM from a client of mine = (and they do track down the Web site host even if we didn't originate = the SPAM) and inform them of my position. =20 One person apparently forwarded my reply to MAPS. Even though my reply = states CLEARLY that I am OPPOSED to SPAM, the kind folks at MAPS decided = to add my company's IP to the list anyway. The problem is -- they won't = TALK about resolving the problem. Their "volunteer" hung up on me when I = called, after first being outright surly and rude with me. I tried = E-mailing Paul Vix to tell him to remove my company's IP from his list = but -- guess what -- my E-mail got REJECTED by his system because he = uses the list! I finally got a message through by going through another = provider. Meanwhile Paul Vix has not returned my urgent calls and hasn't = been available on the phone when I do call. =20 This is causing my company irreparable harm. MAPS' whole attitude and = the way they create their so-called LIST is, because of my case alone, = entirely questionable. And he has left me little choice but to file suit = against Paul, MAPS and anyone associated with the LIST or using it in = their products or on their services. =20 This is where you come in. I am writing to tell you right now -- cease = and desist from using the MAPS BLACKHOLE list on your service = IMMEDIATELY. I will be including anyone and everyone still using the = MAPS list in my lawsuit against MAPS. Period. =20 You might also want to contact Paul Vixie and let him know the legal = jeopardy his methods have placed you in. By comparison, the SPAMMERS are = starting to look like the "good guys." I know they're not and you know = they're not but MAPS must end here and now. =20 I would appreciate your comments and cooperation. =20
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-- ¢4i1å
---Reply on mail from Henry Linneweh about luser of the day award!
Well spamming is against the law in California last I read and if you have an office here or branch you can counter sue and have them criminally charged. Correct me if I am wrong.
Henry R. Linneweh
Washington state has laws, and one person already got charged under them.. There is a federal proposal that isnt that unreasonable, and would make it really easy to filter (if everyone complied, being an international network ...) you have to include instructions on unsubscribing (which has to work :) at the top of the letter you have to send it from a real email addr (that is yours :) you have to put 'ADV:' as the first 4 chars of the subject line, if adult in nature you have to add ADLT in there somewhere too that is pretty much it, I dont know what other sleepers or whatever is in that bill, but that part of it at least should be supported.. As for sueing people.. They can be somewhat hard to find if they move around, and without proper laws that make the seller responsible (and how can you do that without showing that they knew they were paying for spamming, and exactly who the spammer is etc - a malicious person could spam stuff from a company they dont like without their knowledge to get em in hot water, but that will prolly be rare).. That may be one of the reasons this didnt pass so quickly.. -- Bret McDanel http://www.rehost.com Realistic Technologies, Inc. 973-514-1144 These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer
MY attorney has advised me that it is not in MY best interest to stop blackholing him. I think before he sends an email, he should not only do a spell check, but a contradiction check! Cheers, Matthew Holway "Long Time Listner, First Time Caller"
Subject: luser of the day award!
Anyone else get mail from this idiot?
Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail:
Dear sir or madam -- =20 It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS = BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your = system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that = you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST = use of this list IMMEDIATELY. =20 Here is why: Our = attorneys have advised us that it is NOT in our best interest to do so. = Removing the Web site of anyone for something they did OUTSIDE of our = system, even if it was indeed PROMOTING a site hosted on our system, = would in fact expose my company to possible lawsuit from the SPAMMER!
I understand many Web site design and hosting services stipulate in = their contracts that they reserve the right to pull any site if evidence = of SPAMMING is seen -- but my attorneys have also advised me that this = is completely unenforceable in court and wouldn't stand up to a court = challenge.
Well, i personally dont think that his case will hold any water. For one, MAPS is not preventing him from emailing anybody at all. MAPS is not PREVENTING him from sending SPAM. MAPS is a service, that PEOPLE subscribe to, to NOT receive mail from these people. It's up to you to decide who you receive mail from. There is no law stating that you HAVE to receive mail from everyone or anyone for that matter. If your customers are getting legitimate mail blocked, they will complain, or move to another service. If someone is at another service getting spammed, they might move to you. That's how it works. On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Christopher Neill wrote: -| Anyone else get mail from this idiot? -| -| Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail: -| -| -| Dear sir or madam -- -| =20 -| It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS = -| BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your = -| system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that = -| you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST = -| use of this list IMMEDIATELY. -| =20 -| Here is why: -| =20 -| My company, BBS PRESS SERVICE, INC., designs and hosts Web sites. That's = -| all we do. We don't sell access to the Internet. We don't sell E-mail = -| accounts. Besides some E-mail accounts for our employees to use when = -| contacting our customers, and one E-mail account we use to send out a = -| weekly newsletter to our customers, we don't generally handle any E-mail = -| at all. -| =20 -| I am anti-SPAM. I advise all of my 5,000+ clients against the use of = -| SPAM. Still, two have used it to promote sites we host for them. -| =20 -| Naturally, this resulted in our receiving the usual barrage of E-mails = -| DEMANDING that we remove the Web sites of the offending parties. Our = -| attorneys have advised us that it is NOT in our best interest to do so. = -| Removing the Web site of anyone for something they did OUTSIDE of our = -| system, even if it was indeed PROMOTING a site hosted on our system, = -| would in fact expose my company to possible lawsuit from the SPAMMER! -| =20 -| I understand many Web site design and hosting services stipulate in = -| their contracts that they reserve the right to pull any site if evidence = -| of SPAMMING is seen -- but my attorneys have also advised me that this = -| is completely unenforceable in court and wouldn't stand up to a court = -| challenge. -| =20 -| I don't know about you but I am totally opposed to being REQUIRED to = -| take action against anyone for anything they've done outside of my = -| control. Do we also want to become liable for pulling Web sites held by = -| anyone who is convicted of a crime...any crime? Wouldn't this lead to = -| the requirement of background checks, to make sure a Web site customer = -| has never indeed beenconvicted of a crime? -| =20 -| The ramifications are tremendous. -| =20 -| Anyway -- I write to anyone complaining about SPAM from a client of mine = -| (and they do track down the Web site host even if we didn't originate = -| the SPAM) and inform them of my position. -| =20 -| One person apparently forwarded my reply to MAPS. Even though my reply = -| states CLEARLY that I am OPPOSED to SPAM, the kind folks at MAPS decided = -| to add my company's IP to the list anyway. The problem is -- they won't = -| TALK about resolving the problem. Their "volunteer" hung up on me when I = -| called, after first being outright surly and rude with me. I tried = -| E-mailing Paul Vix to tell him to remove my company's IP from his list = -| but -- guess what -- my E-mail got REJECTED by his system because he = -| uses the list! I finally got a message through by going through another = -| provider. Meanwhile Paul Vix has not returned my urgent calls and hasn't = -| been available on the phone when I do call. -| =20 -| This is causing my company irreparable harm. MAPS' whole attitude and = -| the way they create their so-called LIST is, because of my case alone, = -| entirely questionable. And he has left me little choice but to file suit = -| against Paul, MAPS and anyone associated with the LIST or using it in = -| their products or on their services. -| =20 -| This is where you come in. I am writing to tell you right now -- cease = -| and desist from using the MAPS BLACKHOLE list on your service = -| IMMEDIATELY. I will be including anyone and everyone still using the = -| MAPS list in my lawsuit against MAPS. Period. -| =20 -| You might also want to contact Paul Vixie and let him know the legal = -| jeopardy his methods have placed you in. By comparison, the SPAMMERS are = -| starting to look like the "good guys." I know they're not and you know = -| they're not but MAPS must end here and now. -| =20 -| I would appreciate your comments and cooperation. -| =20 -| -| [Mime entry text/html removed] -| _ __ _____ __ _________ ______________ /_______ ___ ____ /______ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)437-7600/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [---------------------------------------------[system info]-----------] 12:00pm up 38 days, 15:29, 3 users, load average: 0.11, 0.13, 0.09
On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 01:04:34PM -0500, Christopher Neill wrote:
Anyone else get mail from this idiot?
Yep. He even replied to my response: ------------
It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST use of this list IMMEDIATELY.
Bring it on.
Robbie
So be it. I look forward to seeing you in court. ------------ His original message is really amusing. It makes me think back to Robert McElwaine. If only he had added "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." to the end. Guess I'll see everyone in court! It should be one heck of a party! :-) Robbie -- Robbie Honerkamp ISP Consulting, System Administration robbie@shorty.com http://www.shorty.com/
Is it contempt of court if you look forward to the court case as a better solution to expensing a technical seminar? We should just hold the next NANOG the lobby of the courthouse, then we can countersue for court costs, and have him pay our way... and afford to stay in POSH hotels. :) Just a thought. :) D On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Robbie Honerkamp wrote:
On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 01:04:34PM -0500, Christopher Neill wrote:
Anyone else get mail from this idiot?
Yep. He even replied to my response:
------------
It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST use of this list IMMEDIATELY.
Bring it on.
Robbie
So be it. I look forward to seeing you in court. ------------
His original message is really amusing. It makes me think back to Robert McElwaine. If only he had added "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." to the end.
Guess I'll see everyone in court! It should be one heck of a party! :-)
Robbie
-- Robbie Honerkamp ISP Consulting, System Administration robbie@shorty.com http://www.shorty.com/
====================================================================== Derek J. Balling | "Bill Gates is a monocle and a white dredd@megacity.org | fluffy cat from being a villain in the http://www.megacity.org/ | next Bond film." - Dennis Miller ======================================================================
On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Christopher Neill wrote:
Anyone else get mail from this idiot?
Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail:
Dear sir or madam --
--snip--
This is where you come in. I am writing to tell you right now -- cease = and desist from using the MAPS BLACKHOLE list on your service = IMMEDIATELY. I will be including anyone and everyone still using the = MAPS list in my lawsuit against MAPS. Period.
Tell him I'm using MAPS RBL, too. And I am using it precisely so that I don't get mail from dorks like him. +-----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo | jake@nodomainname.net | | NoDomainName Networks | http://www.nodomainname.net | +-----------------------------+--------------------------------+ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCM d- s: a--- C++++$ UL++++$ P+++ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o k? !w--- O- M+ V PS--- PE+ Y PGP+ t+@ 5 X- R !tv b+ DI++ D++ G++ e h++ r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
At 01:04 PM 11/18/98 -0500, Christopher Neill wrote:
Anyone else get mail from this idiot?
We're a stealth DNS RBL subscriber, of course not <grin> (I luv sendmail 8.9.1).
Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail:
Dear sir or madam -- =20 It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS = BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your = system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that = you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST = use of this list IMMEDIATELY.
I wonder how he's going to find out just who is using RBL and who isn't?
Here is why: =20 My company, BBS PRESS SERVICE, INC., designs and hosts Web sites. That's =
I understand many Web site design and hosting services stipulate in = their contracts that they reserve the right to pull any site if evidence = of SPAMMING is seen -- but my attorneys have also advised me that this = is completely unenforceable in court and wouldn't stand up to a court = challenge. =20 I don't know about you but I am totally opposed to being REQUIRED to = take action against anyone for anything they've done outside of my = control. Do we also want to become liable for pulling Web sites held by = anyone who is convicted of a crime...any crime? Wouldn't this lead to = the requirement of background checks, to make sure a Web site customer = has never indeed beenconvicted of a crime?
This is simple, 30-day subscriptions with mutual freedom to refuse to do business with each other at every subscription renewal opportunity. No contract breaches required and rapid cycling of lusers^H^H^H^H^H spammers. We've never had a spammer on our site though. We make it *real clear* that spam may subject them to >$1500US in clean-up penalties which we *will* hit their card with first and ask questions later. Their other choice is to leave us a $1500US refundable $cash$ deposit. No one has yet taken the latter choice <grin>. ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993) e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>rmeyer@mhsc.com Internet phone: hawk.mhsc.com Personal web pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com/>www.mhsc.com/ ___________________________________________ Who is John Galt? "Atlas Shrugged" - Ayn Rand
On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
I wonder how he's going to find out just who is using RBL and who isn't?
Wouldn't it be easy enough to ping each suspect network from a machine that he knows has been RBL'd? Or (in the stealth scenario) send a message to an autoresponder on each suspected network? I wonder if he could subpeona the list of RBL subscribers in the interests of naming them in a law suit. Not that I think he has the financial backing to actually carry the suit out, but it is a curiosity. -Deepak.
At 05:33 PM 11/18/98 -0500, Deepak Jain wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
I wonder how he's going to find out just who is using RBL and who isn't?
Wouldn't it be easy enough to ping each suspect network from a machine that he knows has been RBL'd? Or (in the stealth scenario) send a message to an autoresponder on each suspected network?
I wonder if he could subpeona the list of RBL subscribers in the interests of naming them in a law suit. Not that I think he has the financial backing to actually carry the suit out, but it is a curiosity.
Look at the RBL site, a DNS subsciber it not tracked anywhere, except maybe Vixie's XFER log files. Even the MAPs crew doesn't know how many subscribers they have. ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993) e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>rmeyer@mhsc.com Internet phone: hawk.mhsc.com Personal web pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com/>www.mhsc.com/ ___________________________________________ Who is John Galt? "Atlas Shrugged" - Ayn Rand
On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 03:28:20PM -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
Look at the RBL site, a DNS subsciber it not tracked anywhere, except maybe Vixie's XFER log files. Even the MAPs crew doesn't know how many subscribers they have.
XFER or Query? Last I checked, you needed to sign something to xfer the zone... - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/
On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
Alan Bechtold (alanbechtold@sysop.com) @ 11/18/1998 12:48 - Original Problem Detail:
Dear sir or madam -- =20 It has come to my attention that your company utilizes the MAPS = BLACKHOLE list to block purported SPAMMERS from sending E-mail to your = system. While the idea might sound good I am writing to inform you that = you will be named in a Federal Lawsuit if you do not CEASE AND DESIST = use of this list IMMEDIATELY.
I wonder how he's going to find out just who is using RBL and who isn't?
Put simply: from all the bounces he's getting from his SPAM! (The bigger question, I guess, is how he's contacting people after that... though free or easily-obtainable accounts abound, I suppose) -- Russell M. Van Tassell Commercial Systems Corp. russell@cscorp.com http://www.cscorp.com/ Ph: 1-888/COMM-SYS
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Bret McDanel -
Christopher Neill -
Deepak Jain -
Derek Balling -
Ehud Gavron -
Henry Linneweh -
Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo -
Jared Mauch -
John Gonzalez/netMDC admin -
Matthew Holway -
Robbie Honerkamp -
Roeland M.J. Meyer -
Russell Van Tassell