Is anyone on the list from the FAA? I am trying to find out if we can connect to the ASDI servers via IPv6. Cheers Ryan
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes? -----Original Message----- From: christopher.morrow@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Is anyone on the list from the FAA? I am trying to find out if we can connect to the ASDI servers via IPv6.
vacuum tubes don't do ipv6.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
-----Original Message----- From: christopher.morrow@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Is anyone on the list from the FAA? I am trying to find out if we can connect to the ASDI servers via IPv6.
vacuum tubes don't do ipv6.
Every joke has a bit of truth. For instance, until recently (last 10 years?), O'hare's traffic controllers relied upon vacuum tube technology to perform their job. ________________________________________ From: Christopher Morrow [morrowc.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:49 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
-----Original Message----- From: christopher.morrow@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Is anyone on the list from the FAA? I am trying to find out if we can connect to the ASDI servers via IPv6.
vacuum tubes don't do ipv6.
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Menerick, John <jmenerick@netsuite.com> wrote:
Every joke has a bit of truth. For instance, until recently (last 10 years?), O'hare's traffic controllers relied upon vacuum tube technology to perform their job.
yea, I was really referring to the ATC part of the FAA I suppose... I'm not sure it's still true, but every time I hear it come up in conversation (I bet owen delong would actually know...or rs) there is a bit of: "Well, we could migrate to something NOT VT based, but that'd take 3+ years and ... we have other priorities and ... " wash/rinse/repeat... On a serious note though: <http://www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdi.html> (note this is the first hit in google searches for 'adsi server faa') seems to have all manner of information on it about the systems in question. They seem to mention VPN services, I suspect there isn't v6 access, I would have read the requirements doc, but they wanted to send it to me as a .doc file... uhm, this is the 21st century could we distribute this in some sort of cross-platform manner? like txt ? or pdf? (though I hesitate to suggest pdf, what with the adobe pwnage consistently ongoing these days) -chris (not a pilot, not even on tv)
Yes I did read the VPN document before posting to the group but it does not give any IP address information and the e-mail address within the document is bouncing. -----Original Message----- From: christopher.morrow@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:07 PM To: Menerick, John Cc: Ryan Finnesey; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Menerick, John <jmenerick@netsuite.com> wrote:
Every joke has a bit of truth. For instance, until recently (last 10 years?), O'hare's traffic controllers relied upon vacuum tube technology to perform their job.
yea, I was really referring to the ATC part of the FAA I suppose... I'm not sure it's still true, but every time I hear it come up in conversation (I bet owen delong would actually know...or rs) there is a bit of: "Well, we could migrate to something NOT VT based, but that'd take 3+ years and ... we have other priorities and ... " wash/rinse/repeat... On a serious note though: <http://www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdi.html> (note this is the first hit in google searches for 'adsi server faa') seems to have all manner of information on it about the systems in question. They seem to mention VPN services, I suspect there isn't v6 access, I would have read the requirements doc, but they wanted to send it to me as a .doc file... uhm, this is the 21st century could we distribute this in some sort of cross-platform manner? like txt ? or pdf? (though I hesitate to suggest pdf, what with the adobe pwnage consistently ongoing these days) -chris (not a pilot, not even on tv)
On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Menerick, John <jmenerick@netsuite.com> wrote:
Every joke has a bit of truth. For instance, until recently (last 10 years?), O'hare's traffic controllers relied upon vacuum tube technology to perform their job.
yea, I was really referring to the ATC part of the FAA I suppose...
er... so was he... Tower, Tracon, ARTCC are all part of ATC. If you ever want to discuss the ATC system in detail, feel free to ask. (Commercial, AIrplane Single Engine Land, Instrument Airplane). I have lots of time working with ATC and have spent time in towers, TRACONs and ARTCCs talking to them about what they do.
I'm not sure it's still true, but every time I hear it come up in conversation (I bet owen delong would actually know...or rs) there is a bit of: "Well, we could migrate to something NOT VT based, but that'd take 3+ years and ... we have other priorities and ... "
There are actually advantages for CRT based scopes for ATC purposes.
wash/rinse/repeat... On a serious note though:
<http://www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdi.html> (note this is the first hit in google searches for 'adsi server faa') seems to have all manner of information on it about the systems in question. They seem to mention VPN services, I suspect there isn't v6 access, I would have read the requirements doc, but they wanted to send it to me as a .doc file... uhm, this is the 21st century could we distribute this in some sort of cross-platform manner? like txt ? or pdf? (though I hesitate to suggest pdf, what with the adobe pwnage consistently ongoing these days)
Best thing is probably to reach out to the people at: http://www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdidocs/ASDI_Contact_Information_for_ASDI_webpa... And request it. Owen
On Jan 4, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Menerick, John <jmenerick@netsuite.com> wrote:
Every joke has a bit of truth. For instance, until recently (last 10 years?), O'hare's traffic controllers relied upon vacuum tube technology to perform their job.
yea, I was really referring to the ATC part of the FAA I suppose... I'm not sure it's still true, but every time I hear it come up in conversation (I bet owen delong would actually know...or rs) there is a bit of: "Well, we could migrate to something NOT VT based, but that'd take 3+ years and ... we have other priorities and ... "
wash/rinse/repeat... On a serious note though:
<http://www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdi.html> (note this is the first hit in google searches for 'adsi server faa') seems to have all manner of information on it about the systems in question. They seem to mention VPN services, I suspect there isn't v6 access, I would have read the requirements doc, but they wanted to send it to me as a .doc file... uhm, this is the 21st century could we distribute this in some sort of cross-platform manner? like txt ? or pdf? (though I hesitate to suggest pdf, what with the adobe pwnage consistently ongoing these days)
There is a federal directive that has been in place for a number of years that requires IPV6 support for all new IT contracts/systems and also a directive to all federal agencies to support IPV6 by 2008 (See http://ipv6.com/articles/general/US_Government_IPv6.htm ) Tom
TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com> writes:
There is a federal directive that has been in place for a number of years that requires IPV6 support for all new IT contracts/systems and also a directive to all federal agencies to support IPV6 by 2008 (See http://ipv6.com/articles/general/US_Government_IPv6.htm )
And conveniently it's even getting more traction than GOSIP did. I think there have been some federal directives to balance the budget too. Point being that a PDF of such a directive is worth the paper it is written on if people are inclined to just figure out a way around it. (for those who are lucky or young enough to not remember: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOSIP ) -r
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 06:36:25AM -0500, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com> writes:
There is a federal directive that has been in place for a number of years that requires IPV6 support for all new IT contracts/systems and also a directive to all federal agencies to support IPV6 by 2008 (See http://ipv6.com/articles/general/US_Government_IPv6.htm )
And conveniently it's even getting more traction than GOSIP did.
I think there have been some federal directives to balance the budget too. Point being that a PDF of such a directive is worth the paper it is written on if people are inclined to just figure out a way around it.
(for those who are lucky or young enough to not remember: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOSIP )
Bad cess to you for that! I thought I had recycled those neurons, but it turns out I hadn't. I suppose that cautionary tales are necessary, and GOSIP certainly is one. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Most controllers still do. I haven't seen any flat-panel displays yet in any of the ARTCCs, TRACONs, or Towers I've visited. Admittedly, it's been a couple of years, so, they might have changed, but, I tend to doubt they've changed all those displays that quickly. Owen On Jan 4, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Menerick, John wrote:
Every joke has a bit of truth. For instance, until recently (last 10 years?), O'hare's traffic controllers relied upon vacuum tube technology to perform their job.
________________________________________ From: Christopher Morrow [morrowc.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:49 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
-----Original Message----- From: christopher.morrow@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Is anyone on the list from the FAA? I am trying to find out if we can connect to the ASDI servers via IPv6.
vacuum tubes don't do ipv6.
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The new Potomac Consolidated TRACON in Warrenton, VA is relatively new and has the newer equipment with flat-screen scopes, touch-screen radio/phone controls, etc. It is an impressive facility. Adam On Jan 4, 2011, at 23:56, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
Most controllers still do. I haven't seen any flat-panel displays yet in any of the ARTCCs, TRACONs, or Towers I've visited. Admittedly, it's been a couple of years, so, they might have changed, but, I tend to doubt they've changed all those displays that quickly.
Owen
On Jan 4, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Menerick, John wrote:
Every joke has a bit of truth. For instance, until recently (last 10 years?), O'hare's traffic controllers relied upon vacuum tube technology to perform their job.
________________________________________ From: Christopher Morrow [morrowc.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:49 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
-----Original Message----- From: christopher.morrow@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Is anyone on the list from the FAA? I am trying to find out if we can connect to the ASDI servers via IPv6.
vacuum tubes don't do ipv6.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:49:34 -0500 From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
But, since the "F" stands for Federal, if it is still up in two years, it must be reachable by IPv6. Today, the odds are pretty slim as almost no federal systems are reachable by IPv6. It will be an interesting two years for a lot of federal IT folks as the mandate is from the OMB who can pull a budget for non-compliance. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
Can they simply extend the mandate? We need to setup new connectivity to the FFA and was hoping to go IPv6 right out of the gate. Cheers Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Oberman [mailto:oberman@es.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:12 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: Ryan Finnesey; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:49:34 -0500 From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
But, since the "F" stands for Federal, if it is still up in two years, it must be reachable by IPv6. Today, the odds are pretty slim as almost no federal systems are reachable by IPv6. It will be an interesting two years for a lot of federal IT folks as the mandate is from the OMB who can pull a budget for non-compliance. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
Is that the FFA or the FAA? On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote:
Can they simply extend the mandate? We need to setup new connectivity to the FFA and was hoping to go IPv6 right out of the gate. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Oberman [mailto:oberman@es.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:12 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: Ryan Finnesey; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:49:34 -0500 From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
But, since the "F" stands for Federal, if it is still up in two years, it must be reachable by IPv6. Today, the odds are pretty slim as almost no federal systems are reachable by IPv6. It will be an interesting two years for a lot of federal IT folks as the mandate is from the OMB who can pull a budget for non-compliance. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
I've pinged someone offline who may have a contact. Will let you know offline if I do and connect you. I had some peripheral insight a few years ago when I did some work with Boeing. Even had a hand at editing some ARINC standards. The airline industry was umm....interesting :) Suffice to say the guy I was working with at Boeing was pushing hard for v6 capability within ARINC and this was 2007. Keep fingers crossed. - merike On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote:
Can they simply extend the mandate? We need to setup new connectivity to the FFA and was hoping to go IPv6 right out of the gate. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Oberman [mailto:oberman@es.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:12 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: Ryan Finnesey; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:49:34 -0500 From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
But, since the "F" stands for Federal, if it is still up in two years, it must be reachable by IPv6. Today, the odds are pretty slim as almost no federal systems are reachable by IPv6. It will be an interesting two years for a lot of federal IT folks as the mandate is from the OMB who can pull a budget for non-compliance. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
I wanted to thank everyone for both their online and offline replies. At this time the FAA does not support IPv6 to connect to the ASDI servers. Cheers Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Merike Kaeo [mailto:merike@doubleshotsecurity.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:14 AM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers I've pinged someone offline who may have a contact. Will let you know offline if I do and connect you. I had some peripheral insight a few years ago when I did some work with Boeing. Even had a hand at editing some ARINC standards. The airline industry was umm....interesting :) Suffice to say the guy I was working with at Boeing was pushing hard for v6 capability within ARINC and this was 2007. Keep fingers crossed. - merike On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote:
Can they simply extend the mandate? We need to setup new connectivity to the FFA and was hoping to go IPv6 right out of the gate. Cheers Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Oberman [mailto:oberman@es.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:12 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: Ryan Finnesey; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: FAA - ASDI servers
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:49:34 -0500 From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Finnesey <ryan.finnesey@harrierinvestments.com> wrote:
Very true but why the reference to vacuum tubes?
sadly it was an FAA computer system joke.
But, since the "F" stands for Federal, if it is still up in two years,
it must be reachable by IPv6. Today, the odds are pretty slim as almost no federal systems are reachable by IPv6. It will be an interesting two years for a lot of federal IT folks as the mandate is from the OMB who can pull a budget for non-compliance. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
Note that the NIST IPv6 document Kevin pointed to, in the acknowledgements section, includes the following individual who assisted: Trung Nguyen, FAA Joe From: "Ryan Finnesey" <ryan.finnesey@HarrierInvestments.com> To: <nanog@nanog.org> Date: 01/04/2011 10:25 PM Subject: RE: FAA - ASDI servers Is anyone on the list from the FAA? I am trying to find out if we can connect to the ASDI servers via IPv6. Cheers Ryan
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