Re: [Outages-discussion] Recent outage in Australia affecting Telstra
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From: "Gert Doering" <gert@greenie.muc.de>
One of Telstra's downstream customers, a smaller ISP called Dodo, accidentally announced the global table to Telstra (or perhaps a very large portion of it.) Enough of it to cause major disruption.
This is good. There is a chance that Telstra will learn from it, and do proper customer-facing filters now.
OTOH, there also is a chance that Telstra lawyers will just sue the customer, and not change anything...
Perhaps. I am not familiar with Australian jurisprudence, but the US there is the doctrine of Last Clear Chance[1]... and the work necessary on Telstra's part to avoid this problem is a) well known, b) arguably considered best practice for a company in their field, and c) not disproportionately onorous for them to have undertaken... so even if they sue, it's not at all a clear cut case for them to "win". Cheers, -- jra [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_clear_chance -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
On 2/25/2012 2:46 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gert Doering" <gert@greenie.muc.de>
One of Telstra's downstream customers, a smaller ISP called Dodo, accidentally announced the global table to Telstra (or perhaps a very large portion of it.) Enough of it to cause major disruption.
This is good. There is a chance that Telstra will learn from it, and do proper customer-facing filters now.
OTOH, there also is a chance that Telstra lawyers will just sue the customer, and not change anything...
Perhaps. I am not familiar with Australian jurisprudence, but the US there is the doctrine of Last Clear Chance[1]... and the work necessary on Telstra's part to avoid this problem is a) well known, b) arguably considered best practice for a company in their field, and c) not disproportionately onorous for them to have undertaken...
so even if they sue, it's not at all a clear cut case for them to "win".
Cheers, -- jra [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_clear_chance
Being a relatively recent immigrant to Australia from the US, I can say that, although I have no background in Australian legal shenanigans, they aren't quite the litigious bastards we Americans tend to be. Most of the commentary on AUSNOG tended towards "that was foolish, hopefully they learn from that". I suspect the chances of there being any legal fallout from this are slim.
I would probably suggest that there wouldn't be any. *Skeeve Stevens, CEO* eintellego Pty Ltd skeeve@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellego twitter.com/networkceoau ; www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve PO Box 7726, Baulkham Hills, NSW 1755 Australia The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco – Brocade - IBM On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 06:01, Gary Buckmaster < gary.buckmaster@digitalpacific.com.au> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gert Doering" <gert@greenie.muc.de>
One of Telstra's downstream customers, a smaller ISP called Dodo, accidentally announced the global table to Telstra (or perhaps a very large portion of it.) Enough of it to cause major disruption.
This is good. There is a chance that Telstra will learn from it, and do proper customer-facing filters now.
OTOH, there also is a chance that Telstra lawyers will just sue the customer, and not change anything...
Perhaps. I am not familiar with Australian jurisprudence, but the US
On 2/25/2012 2:46 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: there
is the doctrine of Last Clear Chance[1]... and the work necessary on Telstra's part to avoid this problem is a) well known, b) arguably considered best practice for a company in their field, and c) not disproportionately onorous for them to have undertaken...
so even if they sue, it's not at all a clear cut case for them to "win".
Cheers, -- jra [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_clear_chance
Being a relatively recent immigrant to Australia from the US, I can say that, although I have no background in Australian legal shenanigans, they aren't quite the litigious bastards we Americans tend to be.
Most of the commentary on AUSNOG tended towards "that was foolish, hopefully they learn from that". I suspect the chances of there being any legal fallout from this are slim.
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