Hello, There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US and looking something in opposite direction. thanks for some info, contact. Piotr
Yes, I believe PCCW had the route at one time. Roderick Beck Sales Director/Europe and the Americas Hibernia Networks http://www.hibernianetworks.com Budapest and New York 36-30-859-5144 rod.beck@hibernianetworks.com ________________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rod.beck=hibernianetworks.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Piotr <piotr.1234@interia.pl> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 12:14 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: From Europe to Australia via right way Hello, There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US and looking something in opposite direction. thanks for some info, contact. Piotr This e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may be proprietary and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, without the prior written permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately telephone or e-mail the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of this e-mail, and any printout thereof. All documents, contracts or agreements referred or attached to this e-mail are SUBJECT TO CONTRACT. The contents of an attachment to this e-mail may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer system. While Hibernia Networks has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
On 4/1/15 3:14 AM, Piotr wrote:
Hello,
There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US and looking something in opposite direction.
telstra ntt reliance retn all have eastbound paths from europe.
thanks for some info, contact. Piotr
you won't find internet packets going that way though (most of the time). You can buy a L2vpn, p2p, etc, that will though. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 4/1/15 3:14 AM, Piotr wrote:
Hello,
There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US and looking something in opposite direction.
telstra ntt reliance retn all have eastbound paths from europe.
thanks for some info, contact. Piotr
Some times you can get luck and go through SE-ME-WE3 (we it's not cut) but most path's are via the US. What is your destination network in Australia. Matt On 2/04/2015 10:10 am, Tom Paseka wrote:
you won't find internet packets going that way though (most of the time). You can buy a L2vpn, p2p, etc, that will though.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 4/1/15 3:14 AM, Piotr wrote:
Hello,
There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US and looking something in opposite direction. telstra ntt reliance retn all have eastbound paths from europe.
thanks for some info, contact. Piotr
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It's close to Sydney, 203.18.241.0/24 What's the reason, there are some telecoms,isp that have paths eastbound, southbound but in routing table they prefer longer path via US ? regards, Piotr W dniu 2015-04-02 o 01:45, Matt Perkins pisze:
Some times you can get luck and go through SE-ME-WE3 (we it's not cut) but most path's are via the US. What is your destination network in Australia.
Matt
piotr.1234@interia.pl (Piotr) wrote:
What's the reason, there are some telecoms,isp that have paths eastbound, southbound but in routing table they prefer longer path via US ?
Come on - you do know that it's called "policy" routing for a reason? Costs, reserved bw/s for high-rollers, capacity... (Sometimes sheer stupidity, too) Elmar.
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 10:43:25AM +0200, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
piotr.1234@interia.pl (Piotr) wrote:
What's the reason, there are some telecoms,isp that have paths eastbound, southbound but in routing table they prefer longer path via US ?
Come on - you do know that it's called "policy" routing for a reason? Costs, reserved bw/s for high-rollers, capacity...
Sure, you can use static routes as well[1]. For those that are interested you can take a look at http://www.submarinecablemap.com/ to get an idea of what path might be feasible. I will say that telecom costs tend to be related to political stability, so when computing shortest path cost often comes into play. Also, What I'm often reminding people is low-latency isn't always the right solution, because loss is more important. I am less concerned about another 25-100ms if there is little jitter and zero loss. - Jared [1] - https://twitter.com/jaredmauch/status/583227901555961856 -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
There's a new AAE-1 cable currently being laid (sunk!) that comes online early 2016 that will help. But right now alot of traffic cuts across the US as it's still the 'best' route for reasons other that latency as others have already mentioned. The new AAE-1 will have 40Tbps connections from Europe to Hong Kong so hopefully the routes will start to migrate in 2016 and give us an Easterly route to APAC that has enough capacity to be stable in that direction -- Martin Hepworth, CISSP Oxford, UK On 2 April 2015 at 15:03, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 10:43:25AM +0200, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
piotr.1234@interia.pl (Piotr) wrote:
What's the reason, there are some telecoms,isp that have paths eastbound, southbound but in routing table they prefer longer path via US ?
Come on - you do know that it's called "policy" routing for a reason? Costs, reserved bw/s for high-rollers, capacity...
Sure, you can use static routes as well[1].
For those that are interested you can take a look at http://www.submarinecablemap.com/ to get an idea of what path might be feasible. I will say that telecom costs tend to be related to political stability, so when computing shortest path cost often comes into play.
Also, What I'm often reminding people is low-latency isn't always the right solution, because loss is more important. I am less concerned about another 25-100ms if there is little jitter and zero loss.
- Jared
[1] - https://twitter.com/jaredmauch/status/583227901555961856
-- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Martin Hepworth <maxsec@gmail.com> wrote:
The new AAE-1 will have 40Tbps connections from Europe to Hong Kong so hopefully the routes will start to migrate in 2016 and give us an Easterly route to APAC that has enough capacity to be stable in that direction
I think this stability is key, I’ve been watching a testing team go round and round with a telco that seems to think that 1 second hits is acceptable through this area and they are unwilling to resolve it and seem to be begging “please just accept the circuit”. - Jared
On 2/Apr/15 16:23, Jared Mauch wrote:
I think this stability is key, I’ve been watching a testing team go round and round with a telco that seems to think that 1 second hits is acceptable through this area and they are unwilling to resolve it and seem to be begging “please just accept the circuit”.
What kind of failover hit times are they looking for? 50ms? Mark.
On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 2/Apr/15 16:23, Jared Mauch wrote:
I think this stability is key, I’ve been watching a testing team go round and round with a telco that seems to think that 1 second hits is acceptable through this area and they are unwilling to resolve it and seem to be begging “please just accept the circuit”.
What kind of failover hit times are they looking for? 50ms?
Seeing multiple hit times within a 24h period isn’t really acceptable and keeps these paths from being viable. They are claiming they are within 50ms. - Jared
On 2/Apr/15 16:32, Jared Mauch wrote:
Seeing multiple hit times within a 24h period isn’t really acceptable and keeps these paths from being viable.
Agreed.
They are claiming they are within 50ms.
Which makes sense if the end-to-end path is less than 50ms re: seeing hitless failovers on the IP routers. If the end-to-end path is crossing continents, a local failure which is repaired within 50ms will still cause a longer/noticeable outage for the IP routers connected at either end of said circuit. Mark.
Low latency routes like this would be very attractive to financial firms trading in both Europe and Asia. My hunch is that most of these circuits are linear - unprotected. And if you get damage in Siberia or Northern China repairs could be mighty slow. Roderick Beck Sales Director/Europe and the Americas Hibernia Networks http://www.hibernianetworks.com ________________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:23 PM To: Martin Hepworth Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: From Europe to Australia via right way
On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Martin Hepworth <maxsec@gmail.com> wrote:
The new AAE-1 will have 40Tbps connections from Europe to Hong Kong so hopefully the routes will start to migrate in 2016 and give us an Easterly route to APAC that has enough capacity to be stable in that direction
I think this stability is key, I’ve been watching a testing team go round and round with a telco that seems to think that 1 second hits is acceptable through this area and they are unwilling to resolve it and seem to be begging “please just accept the circuit”. - Jared This e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may be proprietary and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, without the prior written permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately telephone or e-mail the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of this e-mail, and any printout thereof. All documents, contracts or agreements referred or attached to this e-mail are SUBJECT TO CONTRACT. The contents of an attachment to this e-mail may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer system. While Hibernia Networks has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
I don’t believe anyone has significant IP network capacity going EU -> Australia in that direction, esp. since once you get to Singapore, the options to get to Australia are limited. Even for networks that do have EU to Asia connectivity via Indian Ocean or land route to north Asia, the preferred path would be via US and transpac. -dorian
On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:51 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 4/1/15 3:14 AM, Piotr wrote:
Hello,
There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US and looking something in opposite direction.
telstra ntt reliance retn all have eastbound paths from europe.
thanks for some info, contact. Piotr
If you want a direct path then SMW3 remains the only cable for the final leg from Singapore to Perth and it's capacity is only a few hundred gigabits. There are at least 2 proposed new systems racing to get into the water between Singapore and Perth to try and address this gap in supply and demand. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Dorian Kim <dorian@blackrose.org> wrote:
I don’t believe anyone has significant IP network capacity going EU -> Australia in that direction, esp. since once you get to Singapore, the options to get to Australia are limited.
Even for networks that do have EU to Asia connectivity via Indian Ocean or land route to north Asia, the preferred path would be via US and transpac.
-dorian
On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:51 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 4/1/15 3:14 AM, Piotr wrote:
Hello,
There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US and looking something in opposite direction.
telstra ntt reliance retn all have eastbound paths from europe.
thanks for some info, contact. Piotr
On 4/2/15 10:08 AM, McDonald Richards wrote:
If you want a direct path then SMW3 remains the only cable for the final leg from Singapore to Perth and it's capacity is only a few hundred gigabits. There are at least 2 proposed new systems racing to get into the water between Singapore and Perth to try and address this gap in supply and demand.
it's also another 2000 miles from perth to syd...
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Dorian Kim <dorian@blackrose.org <mailto:dorian@blackrose.org>> wrote:
I don’t believe anyone has significant IP network capacity going EU -> Australia in that direction, esp. since once you get to Singapore, the options to get to Australia are limited.
Even for networks that do have EU to Asia connectivity via Indian Ocean or land route to north Asia, the preferred path would be via US and transpac.
-dorian
> On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:51 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com <mailto:joelja@bogus.com>> wrote: > > On 4/1/15 3:14 AM, Piotr wrote: >> Hello, >> >> There is some telecom, isp which have route from EU to AU via east or >> south east (via Russia, Red sea or other ways) ? Now i have path via US >> and looking something in opposite direction. > > telstra ntt reliance retn all have eastbound paths from europe. > >> thanks for some info, contact. >> Piotr >> > >
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