Hi All, We are currently looking to connect to one of the IX's available in Paris, It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those? Thanks, Ido
On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Ido Szargel wrote:
Hi All,
We are currently looking to connect to one of the IX's available in Paris,
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
At my former employer we connected to PARIX and don't recall any issues there. www.parix.net (seems to be down right now). - Jared
Hello, In Paris you have Equinix Paris, Sfinx and FranceIX. I'm the co founder of Franceix with 2 other folks, so I know well the subject :) Franceix is a neutral IXP, and based on an association model ( exactly the same model as Amsix ). Today FranceIX is the biggest one in Paris and is located in all carrier hotel in Paris ( except Equinix ) and also in Marseille. There is some gateway with other IXP : Sfinx, Lyonix and Lucix ( Luxembourg ). Both EquinixFR and Franceix have a partner program and you can connect to both using a third partner ( or of course directly ). You can have more information here : https://www.franceix.net/ or send an email to info@franceix.net Regards, -- Raphaël Maunier NEO TELECOMS CTO / Directeur Ingénierie AS8218 On 2/21/12 5:53 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Ido Szargel wrote:
Hi All,
We are currently looking to connect to one of the IX's available in Paris,
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
At my former employer we connected to PARIX and don't recall any issues there.
www.parix.net (seems to be down right now).
- Jared
On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 18:46 +0200, Ido Szargel wrote:
Hi All,
We are currently looking to connect to one of the IX's available in Paris,
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
Hi, We're connected to both (and to a smaller third one named FR-IX), it's not that expensive and adds redundancy to join many peers. Sincerely, Laurent
Hi For me the best choice is FranceIX. We are connected to Sfinx, FranceIX and Equinix, but 70% of our peering traffic are sent on FranceIX. Panap and Parix is dead Best Regards Olivier Le 21 février 2012 17:46, Ido Szargel <ido@oasis-tech.net> a écrit :
Hi All,
We are currently looking to connect to one of the IX's available in Paris,
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
Thanks,
Ido
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Brings up another question to mind, how many of you have peered using partial route transit versus having direct peering relationship at the exchange? I've personally ran into companies during peering meetings wanting to sell you their peering relationship (access to their routes that they've earned through their relationship) as opposed to you wanting to establish direct peering relationship. This way you don't bare port fees, no colocation cost, cost of IX membership, etc. I understand this is not true peering relationship, however its an interesting way to obtain exchange point routes and I understand this is nothing new. Just interested in learning about your experiences. regards, /virendra On 02/21/2012 08:46 AM, Ido Szargel wrote:
Hi All,
We are currently looking to connect to one of the IX's available in Paris,
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
Thanks,
Ido
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On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:39 PM, virendra rode wrote:
I understand this is not true peering relationship, however its an interesting way to obtain exchange point routes and I understand this is nothing new.
<mini-rant> I've found people who use the term 'peering' to mean something different than what I personally interpret it to mean. eg: "We have peering with 4 carriers at our colocation facility where you can place gear" Translation: We have blended IP transit from 4 carriers, or you can directly connect to them as needed. I understand why they call it this, because "I configured peering with Level3/Cogent" on my router, etc. The difference is in the policy. What you're speaking of is someone selling transit, which is perfectly fine over various IXes, you generally are prohibited from 'selling next-hop', i.e.: you have to bear the cost on the IX port of the forwarding. </mini-rant> Buying transit isn't as dirty as people think it is, sometimes its the right business decision. If you connect to an IX for $4000/mo at gig-e, you might as well buy transit at $4/meg on that same port IMHO. You're unlikely to be using the port at 100% anyways at the IX, so your cost-per-meg there needs to properly reflect your 95% or whatnot. - Jared
On 23/02/2012 18:00, Jared Mauch wrote:
Buying transit isn't as dirty as people think it is, sometimes its the right business decision. If you connect to an IX for $4000/mo at gig-e,
Anyone prepared to pay $4000/m for a gig IX connection is making the wrong business decision. Nick
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/23/2012 10:00 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:39 PM, virendra rode wrote:
I understand this is not true peering relationship, however its an interesting way to obtain exchange point routes and I understand this is nothing new.
<mini-rant>
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I've found people who use the term 'peering' to mean something different than what I personally interpret it to mean.
eg: "We have peering with 4 carriers at our colocation facility where you can place gear"
Translation: We have blended IP transit from 4 carriers, or you can directly connect to them as needed.
I understand why they call it this, because "I configured peering with Level3/Cogent" on my router, etc. The difference is in the policy. What you're speaking of is someone selling transit, which is perfectly fine over various IXes, you generally are prohibited from 'selling next-hop', i.e.: you have to bear the cost on the IX port of the forwarding.
</mini-rant>
- --------------------------- Correct, I meant to say private peering as opposed to settlement-free.
Buying transit isn't as dirty as people think it is, sometimes its the right business decision. If you connect to an IX for $4000/mo at gig-e, you might as well buy transit at $4/meg on that same port IMHO. You're unlikely to be using the port at 100% anyways at the IX, so your cost-per-meg there needs to properly reflect your 95% or whatnot.
- Jared
- ---------------------- I understand, I'm trying to factor in cost of peering (transport, equipment, cross-connect, colocation, equipment cost) of buying transit vs private peering. regards, /virendra -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAk9GhVsACgkQ3HuimOHfh+HqFgD+L2WYr2Tt1ZRY+Z2AAVDpX00N bwNSXKLbnzjy8Ol5b2QA/AiL3NbesEoZy901tBW7TAdAzPOUK8W9a4rnhRakDk8B =acfM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Le 21.02.2012 17:46, Ido Szargel a écrit :
Hi All,
We are currently looking to connect to one of the IX's available in Paris,
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
Thanks,
Ido
Hi, My former employer is connected to France-IX. I have spent time in peering managment and the service/connectivity is good. My two cents. Best regards, -- Christophe Lucas christophe@clucas.fr
Le 21/02/12 17:46, Ido Szargel a écrit :
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
Equinix-IX is cheaper (free Gig-e port) and has more member (including a few big eyeball players with restrictive or selective policies). France-IX has a robust structure and team, seems more stable according to my logs. Both allow private VLANs and commercial services over the public fabric. Panap and Free-IX are dead, PARIX isn't although their site is down on purpose for the pas two years or so. It's a commercial service from Orange / France Telecom (wich is selling AS3215 transit and peering there). -- Jérôme Nicolle 06 19 31 27 14
Hi everyone, Allow me to send you the link to France-IX's white paper on the peering situation in France: http://bit.ly/y7KQ90. If you have questions, you can drop us an e-mail to info@franceix.net. Best regards, 2012/3/15 Jérôme Nicolle <jerome@ceriz.fr>
Le 21/02/12 17:46, Ido Szargel a écrit :
It seems that there are 2 "major" players - FranceIX and Equinix FR, can anyone share their opinions about those?
Equinix-IX is cheaper (free Gig-e port) and has more member (including a few big eyeball players with restrictive or selective policies).
France-IX has a robust structure and team, seems more stable according to my logs.
Both allow private VLANs and commercial services over the public fabric.
Panap and Free-IX are dead, PARIX isn't although their site is down on purpose for the pas two years or so. It's a commercial service from Orange / France Telecom (wich is selling AS3215 transit and peering there).
-- Jérôme Nicolle 06 19 31 27 14
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virendra rode