The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not trying to start one. But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so that you can give a reasoned answer. https://plus.google.com/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/TYxXkeQ2jPW Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Not trying to start a debate but let me post a controversial topic that is just a guess at what someone might do. Yeah, Ok. Steven Naslund Chicago IL -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 2:57 PM To: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Here we go again. The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not trying to start one. But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so that you can give a reasoned answer. https://plus.google.com/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/TYxXkeQ2jPW Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
You're right, this is not the forum. So why are you abusing it? -mel beckman
On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not trying to start one.
But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so that you can give a reasoned answer.
https://plus.google.com/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/TYxXkeQ2jPW
Cheers, -- jra
-- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
On 11/9/16 2:17 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
You're right, this is not the forum. So why are you abusing it?
I do think it's a fair thing to drop in everyone's lap though. Something to think about, and consider, even if privately and to ones self. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
In message <1624203180.33527.1478724998723.JavaMail.zimbra@baylink.com>, "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
The list is not the proper forum for a debate on this topic, and I'm not trying to start one.
But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so that you can give a reasoned answer.
There are plenty of reasons for thinking people to be terrified today. I don't know why you've chosen to focus on such a small one. Here's a bigger one: http://bit.ly/2fTdmiG P.S. I agree completely that this is not the proper forum for either discussion or debate on these matters. But given that adherence to the ordinary rules of politness and proper decorum quite clearly did nothing, in the end, to prevent last night's outcome, I for one am willing to forgo them, within limits, e.g. when some of the elephants in the room become just too big to ignore.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote:
There are plenty of reasons for thinking people to be terrified today. I don't know why you've chosen to focus on such a small one. Here's a bigger one:
Ok--so on a somewhat NANOG-related note...please tell me that's not a *real* picture of the nuclear football and that our lives aren't in the hands of Windows Vista... ;) -A
https://youtu.be/Yi_2020LJQo On Nov 10, 2016 18:27, "Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote:
There are plenty of reasons for thinking people to be terrified today. I don't know why you've chosen to focus on such a small one. Here's a bigger one:
Ok--so on a somewhat NANOG-related note...please tell me that's not a *real* picture of the nuclear football and that our lives aren't in the hands of Windows Vista... ;)
-A
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
But ask yourself *now* what happens if you get these kinds of orders, so that you can give a reasoned answer.
Hi Jay, I think this discussion is premature. We can hypothesize any number of evils from the President Elect but until someone introduces a bill we can only tilt at windmills. Besides, you are aware of his record of doing what his "handlers" want him to do, right? ;) Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
On 2016-11-09 17:54, William Herrin wrote:
I think this discussion is premature. We can hypothesize any number of evils from the President Elect but until someone introduces a bill we can only tilt at windmills.
The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt. Mr Eisenach is a regular "expert witness" hired by Telus in Canada at CRTC hearing. In last week's CRTC hearing on net neutrality, he held his very standard pro-incumbent stance against it. And the same arguments will be used to convicne the USA to drop net neutrality to help foster "dynamic competition" (euphemism for "unregulated duopoly"). It is a given that discussion on banning zero rating of content in USA will not happen. It is highly possible that Title II reclassification of ISPs will be revoked. Ted Cruz tried to block the IANA re-organisation. So the direction of where things will be going is fairly clear. AT&T announced zero rated video (aka T0-Mobile with throttling) just after the election so they are quite confident this won't be blocked by FCC. (although merger with Time Warner may be blocked).
Consumers can always chose with their wallet. On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 2:03 AM, Jean-Francois Mezei < jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote:
On 2016-11-09 17:54, William Herrin wrote:
I think this discussion is premature. We can hypothesize any number of evils from the President Elect but until someone introduces a bill we can only tilt at windmills.
The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC and other telecom areas of govt.
Mr Eisenach is a regular "expert witness" hired by Telus in Canada at CRTC hearing. In last week's CRTC hearing on net neutrality, he held his very standard pro-incumbent stance against it. And the same arguments will be used to convicne the USA to drop net neutrality to help foster "dynamic competition" (euphemism for "unregulated duopoly").
It is a given that discussion on banning zero rating of content in USA will not happen.
It is highly possible that Title II reclassification of ISPs will be revoked.
Ted Cruz tried to block the IANA re-organisation.
So the direction of where things will be going is fairly clear.
AT&T announced zero rated video (aka T0-Mobile with throttling) just after the election so they are quite confident this won't be blocked by FCC. (although merger with Time Warner may be blocked).
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