Verizon wireless to stop issuing static IPv4
Thought the list would find this interesting. Just received an email from VZ wireless that they’re going to stop selling static IPv4 for wireless subscribers in June. That should make for some interesting support calls on the broadband/fios side; one half of the company is forcing ipv6, the other can’t provide it. At least now we have a big name forcing the issue though. David Here’s complete text: On June 30, 2017, Verizon will stop issuing new Public Static IPv4 addresses due to a shortage of available addresses. Customers that currently have active Public Static IPv4 addresses will retain those addresses, and Verizon will continue to fully support existing Public Static IPv4 addresses. In order to reserve new IP addresses, your company will need to convert to the Persistent Prefix IPv6 requirements and implement new Verizon-certified IPv6 devices. Why should you make the move to Persistent Prefix IPv6? • Unlike IPv4, which is limited to a 32-bit prefix, Persistent Prefix IPv6 has 128-bit addressing scheme, which aligns to current international agreements and standards. • Persistent Prefix IPv6 will provide the device with an IP address unique to that device that will remain with that device until the address is relinquished by the user (i.e., when the user moves the device off the Verizon Wireless network). • IPv4-only devices are not compatible with Persistent Prefix IPv6 addresses.
It would have been nice if Verizon had starting issuing IPv6 while still issuing IPv4 for an easy transition. The current situation is that you can't get static IPv6 at all. I have been bugging them about this for many years. thanks, -Randy ----- On Mar 8, 2017, at 12:16 PM, David Hubbard dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote:
Thought the list would find this interesting. Just received an email from VZ wireless that they’re going to stop selling static IPv4 for wireless subscribers in June. That should make for some interesting support calls on the broadband/fios side; one half of the company is forcing ipv6, the other can’t provide it. At least now we have a big name forcing the issue though.
David
Here’s complete text:
On June 30, 2017, Verizon will stop issuing new Public Static IPv4 addresses due to a shortage of available addresses. Customers that currently have active Public Static IPv4 addresses will retain those addresses, and Verizon will continue to fully support existing Public Static IPv4 addresses. In order to reserve new IP addresses, your company will need to convert to the Persistent Prefix IPv6 requirements and implement new Verizon-certified IPv6 devices.
Why should you make the move to Persistent Prefix IPv6?
•
Unlike IPv4, which is limited to a 32-bit prefix, Persistent Prefix IPv6 has 128-bit addressing scheme, which aligns to current international agreements and standards.
•
Persistent Prefix IPv6 will provide the device with an IP address unique to that device that will remain with that device until the address is relinquished by the user (i.e., when the user moves the device off the Verizon Wireless network).
•
IPv4-only devices are not compatible with Persistent Prefix IPv6 addresses.
I'm assuming no consideration for using RFC-6598 addresses (100.64.0.0/10) and performing CGN as a bridge, perhaps via LW4o6 On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 12:31 PM Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
It would have been nice if Verizon had starting issuing IPv6 while still issuing IPv4 for an easy transition. The current situation is that you can't get static IPv6 at all. I have been bugging them about this for many years.
thanks, -Randy
----- On Mar 8, 2017, at 12:16 PM, David Hubbard dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote:
Thought the list would find this interesting. Just received an email from VZ wireless that they’re going to stop selling static IPv4 for wireless subscribers in June. That should make for some interesting support calls on the broadband/fios side; one half of the company is forcing ipv6, the other can’t provide it. At least now we have a big name forcing the issue though.
David
Here’s complete text:
On June 30, 2017, Verizon will stop issuing new Public Static IPv4 addresses due to a shortage of available addresses. Customers that currently have active Public Static IPv4 addresses will retain those addresses, and Verizon will continue to fully support existing Public Static IPv4 addresses. In order to reserve new IP addresses, your company will need to convert to the Persistent Prefix IPv6 requirements and implement new Verizon-certified IPv6 devices.
Why should you make the move to Persistent Prefix IPv6?
•
Unlike IPv4, which is limited to a 32-bit prefix, Persistent Prefix IPv6 has 128-bit addressing scheme, which aligns to current international agreements and standards.
•
Persistent Prefix IPv6 will provide the device with an IP address unique to that device that will remain with that device until the address is relinquished by the user (i.e., when the user moves the device off the Verizon Wireless network).
•
IPv4-only devices are not compatible with Persistent Prefix IPv6 addresses.
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You said the e-mail was from VZ wireless but the e-mail text says Verizon. Is it really all of Verizon, VZ Wireless, home, business or some combination? On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com<mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com>> wrote: Thought the list would find this interesting. Just received an email from VZ wireless that they’re going to stop selling static IPv4 for wireless subscribers in June. That should make for some interesting support calls on the broadband/fios side; one half of the company is forcing ipv6, the other can’t provide it. At least now we have a big name forcing the issue though. David Here’s complete text: On June 30, 2017, Verizon will stop issuing new Public Static IPv4 addresses due to a shortage of available addresses. Customers that currently have active Public Static IPv4 addresses will retain those addresses, and Verizon will continue to fully support existing Public Static IPv4 addresses. In order to reserve new IP addresses, your company will need to convert to the Persistent Prefix IPv6 requirements and implement new Verizon-certified IPv6 devices. Why should you make the move to Persistent Prefix IPv6? • Unlike IPv4, which is limited to a 32-bit prefix, Persistent Prefix IPv6 has 128-bit addressing scheme, which aligns to current international agreements and standards. • Persistent Prefix IPv6 will provide the device with an IP address unique to that device that will remain with that device until the address is relinquished by the user (i.e., when the user moves the device off the Verizon Wireless network). • IPv4-only devices are not compatible with Persistent Prefix IPv6 addresses. --- Keith Stokes
My customer got the email and the only service they have is wireless. Also notice the email address. From: Verizon Wireless <verizonwireless2@email.vzwshop.com<mailto:verizonwireless2@email.vzwshop.com>> Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Keith Stokes <keiths@neilltech.com<mailto:keiths@neilltech.com>> wrote: You said the e-mail was from VZ wireless but the e-mail text says Verizon. Is it really all of Verizon, VZ Wireless, home, business or some combination? On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com<mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com><mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com>> wrote: Thought the list would find this interesting. Just received an email from VZ wireless that they’re going to stop selling static IPv4 for wireless subscribers in June. That should make for some interesting support calls on the broadband/fios side; one half of the company is forcing ipv6, the other can’t provide it. At least now we have a big name forcing the issue though. David Here’s complete text: On June 30, 2017, Verizon will stop issuing new Public Static IPv4 addresses due to a shortage of available addresses. Customers that currently have active Public Static IPv4 addresses will retain those addresses, and Verizon will continue to fully support existing Public Static IPv4 addresses. In order to reserve new IP addresses, your company will need to convert to the Persistent Prefix IPv6 requirements and implement new Verizon-certified IPv6 devices. Why should you make the move to Persistent Prefix IPv6? • Unlike IPv4, which is limited to a 32-bit prefix, Persistent Prefix IPv6 has 128-bit addressing scheme, which aligns to current international agreements and standards. • Persistent Prefix IPv6 will provide the device with an IP address unique to that device that will remain with that device until the address is relinquished by the user (i.e., when the user moves the device off the Verizon Wireless network). • IPv4-only devices are not compatible with Persistent Prefix IPv6 addresses. --- Keith Stokes Luke Guillory Network Operations Manager [cid:imagefe9475.JPG@ae2f04c2.45884860] <http://www.rtconline.com> Tel: 985.536.1212 Fax: 985.536.0300 Email: lguillory@reservetele.com Web: www.rtconline.com Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084 Disclaimer: The information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material which should not disseminate, distribute or be copied. Please notify Luke Guillory immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Luke Guillory therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission.
Seems to me that the only people who get static, wireless, IP addresses are people who put sensors on vehicles and IoT applications. Who gets a static IP for a phone? This might cause some serious heartburn for my previous employer - who built CAD systems for transit buses. Miles Fidelman On 3/8/17 6:13 PM, Luke Guillory wrote:
My customer got the email and the only service they have is wireless. Also notice the email address.
From: Verizon Wireless <verizonwireless2@email.vzwshop.com<mailto:verizonwireless2@email.vzwshop.com>>
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Keith Stokes <keiths@neilltech.com<mailto:keiths@neilltech.com>> wrote:
You said the e-mail was from VZ wireless but the e-mail text says Verizon. Is it really all of Verizon, VZ Wireless, home, business or some combination?
On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:16 AM, David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com<mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com><mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com>> wrote:
Thought the list would find this interesting. Just received an email from VZ wireless that they’re going to stop selling static IPv4 for wireless subscribers in June. That should make for some interesting support calls on the broadband/fios side; one half of the company is forcing ipv6, the other can’t provide it. At least now we have a big name forcing the issue though.
David
Here’s complete text:
On June 30, 2017, Verizon will stop issuing new Public Static IPv4 addresses due to a shortage of available addresses. Customers that currently have active Public Static IPv4 addresses will retain those addresses, and Verizon will continue to fully support existing Public Static IPv4 addresses. In order to reserve new IP addresses, your company will need to convert to the Persistent Prefix IPv6 requirements and implement new Verizon-certified IPv6 devices.
Why should you make the move to Persistent Prefix IPv6?
•
Unlike IPv4, which is limited to a 32-bit prefix, Persistent Prefix IPv6 has 128-bit addressing scheme, which aligns to current international agreements and standards.
•
Persistent Prefix IPv6 will provide the device with an IP address unique to that device that will remain with that device until the address is relinquished by the user (i.e., when the user moves the device off the Verizon Wireless network).
•
IPv4-only devices are not compatible with Persistent Prefix IPv6 addresses.
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On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
Seems to me that the only people who get static, wireless, IP addresses are people who put sensors on vehicles and IoT applications. Who gets a static IP for a phone? This might cause some serious heartburn for my previous employer - who built CAD systems for transit buses.
on the bright side they can just get fios or dsl (depending on location) .. you know you can still get v4 there, and won't even have to worry about that pesky new fangled ipv6 .
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:10 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
Seems to me that the only people who get static, wireless, IP addresses are people who put sensors on vehicles and IoT applications. Who gets a static IP for a phone? This might cause some serious heartburn for my previous employer - who built CAD systems for transit buses.
on the bright side they can just get fios or dsl (depending on location) .. you know you can still get v4 there, and won't even have to worry about that pesky new fangled
The economics of this is very interesting. Normally, with scarcity, i would expect price to go up. VZW is running low on ipv4 addresses, so they raise prices to stem demand. They acquire ipv4 on the secondary market and pass cost along with mark up to customers .... But -- vzw knows if they raise prices customers will just go elsewhere. Also, their growth model simply may show that there is no way to meet demand with ipv4, ipv4 is fundamentally holding back iot growth, so they need to pivot / move to ipv6 to unchain the growth. Seems smart. The runway for ipv4 is too short for iot growth. Forcing the hand to scalable ipv6 now will pay dividends and prevent investment in unscalable ipv4 solutions
On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:08:59 -0500, Christopher Morrow said:
previous employer - who built CAD systems for transit buses. on the bright side they can just get fios or dsl (depending on location) .. you know you can still get v4 there, and won't even have to worry about that pesky new fangled ipv6 .
FIOS for a transit bus?
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:58 PM, <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:08:59 -0500, Christopher Morrow said:
previous employer - who built CAD systems for transit buses. on the bright side they can just get fios or dsl (depending on location) .. you know you can still get v4 there, and won't even have to worry about that pesky new fangled ipv6 .
FIOS for a transit bus?
it seems as likely to be true as ipv6 on fios, yes.
On 08/03/2017, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
Seems to me that the only people who get static, wireless, IP addresses are people who put sensors on vehicles and IoT applications. Who gets a static IP for a phone? This might cause some serious heartburn for my previous employer - who built CAD systems for transit buses.
Miles Fidelman
With how much memory and processing power any modern internet-connected device has, plus the ever ubiquitous cloud, I don't understand why IoT, especially non-consumer-grade IoT, should have any need for public IPv4 addresses. Even if you have a very legacy app, and IPsec is too complex for your needs, doing an SSH session with OpenSSH and its port forwarding feature is just too simple to pass up. http://mdoc.su/o/ssh.1 I mean, come on, if malware vendors have no need for public IP addresses to take control of your IoT and perform C&C, you're clearly doing something wrong if your own shit doesn't work without it. Cheers, http://Constantine.SU/
Verizon Wireless has been pushing their clients away from static IPv4 for some time. I inquired last year about getting one for a specific project and was told it would be a large upfront cost, limited to certain accounts and required justification. I imagine in the years coming this will become the norm for carriers.
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