Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic
--- jhellenthal@dataix.net wrote: From: "J. Hellenthal" <jhellenthal@dataix.net> Yeah sorry to say any email list or not is going to be one of the things that are not going to get through unless ... you’ve taken extra measures to circumvent that. Personally, email would be the easiest to block behind riuting. ------------------------------------------- After I sent the email I started to realize I likely misunderstood. I hesitated to correct that to the list, but here I go. :)
queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay.
I believe he meant similar to *nix boxes where you could just copy the files in $HOME/mail (or where ever it is) onto media and once the data is out of the country it can be copied onto another mail system's $HOME/mail and then shared with the unblocked part of the internet. Not a user account on somethingmail.com, but rather the entire $HOME/mail of all accounts and mailed to someone else who is somewhere else on a regular basis. Also, the reverse path for receiving mail in the repressive country. A good idea either way. KISS works. :) scott -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
On Dec 29, 2019, at 15:57, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
:: If you're trying to get information in/out of a :: society that is raising network barriers to :: realtime communication, then you need methods :: that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
This is a great idea, but 99.9% of folks use GUI email. :-(
scott
--- rsk@gsp.org wrote:
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:11:23 -0500
And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly superior to web sites/message boards/et.al. when it comes to facilitating many-to-many communications between people. Why? Well, there are many reasons, but one of the applicable ones in this use case is that their queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay. And because the computing resources required to handle this are in any laptop or desktop made in the last decade, probably earlier.
If you're trying to get information in/out of a society that is raising network barriers to realtime communication, then you need methods that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
---rsk
Why would anyone with anything important to say use somethingmail.com Somethingmail.com is not e-mail. It is a Giggle Gaggle Google thing. -- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Sunday, 29 December, 2019 15:38 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic
--- jhellenthal@dataix.net wrote: From: "J. Hellenthal" <jhellenthal@dataix.net>
Yeah sorry to say any email list or not is going to be one of the things that are not going to get through unless ... you’ve taken extra measures to circumvent that.
Personally, email would be the easiest to block behind riuting. -------------------------------------------
After I sent the email I started to realize I likely misunderstood. I hesitated to correct that to the list, but here I go. :)
queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay.
I believe he meant similar to *nix boxes where you could just copy the files in $HOME/mail (or where ever it is) onto media and once the data is out of the country it can be copied onto another mail system's $HOME/mail and then shared with the unblocked part of the internet. Not a user account on somethingmail.com, but rather the entire $HOME/mail of all accounts and mailed to someone else who is somewhere else on a regular basis. Also, the reverse path for receiving mail in the repressive country.
A good idea either way. KISS works. :)
scott
-- J. Hellenthal
The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
On Dec 29, 2019, at 15:57, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
:: If you're trying to get information in/out of a :: society that is raising network barriers to :: realtime communication, then you need methods :: that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
This is a great idea, but 99.9% of folks use GUI email. :-(
scott
--- rsk@gsp.org wrote:
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:11:23 -0500
And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly superior to web sites/message boards/et.al. when it comes to facilitating many-to-many communications between people. Why? Well, there are many reasons, but one of the applicable ones in this use case is that their queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay. And because the computing resources required to handle this are in any laptop or desktop made in the last decade, probably earlier.
If you're trying to get information in/out of a society that is raising network barriers to realtime communication, then you need methods that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
---rsk
On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 6:02 PM Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> wrote:
Why would anyone with anything important to say use somethingmail.com
Somethingmail.com is not e-mail. It is a Giggle Gaggle Google thing.
huh what? ;; ANSWER SECTION: somethingmail.com. 86400 IN MX 10 mail.somethingmail.com. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: somethingmail.com. 172795 IN NS ns2.allnotrisk.com. somethingmail.com. 172795 IN NS ns1.allnotrisk.com. somethingmail.com. 172795 IN NS ns4.allnotrisk.com. somethingmail.com. 172795 IN NS ns3.allnotrisk.com.
-- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Sunday, 29 December, 2019 15:38 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic
--- jhellenthal@dataix.net wrote: From: "J. Hellenthal" <jhellenthal@dataix.net>
Yeah sorry to say any email list or not is going to be one of the things that are not going to get through unless ... you’ve taken extra measures to circumvent that.
Personally, email would be the easiest to block behind riuting. -------------------------------------------
After I sent the email I started to realize I likely misunderstood. I hesitated to correct that to the list, but here I go. :)
queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay.
I believe he meant similar to *nix boxes where you could just copy the files in $HOME/mail (or where ever it is) onto media and once the data is out of the country it can be copied onto another mail system's $HOME/mail and then shared with the unblocked part of the internet. Not a user account on somethingmail.com, but rather the entire $HOME/mail of all accounts and mailed to someone else who is somewhere else on a regular basis. Also, the reverse path for receiving mail in the repressive country.
A good idea either way. KISS works. :)
scott
-- J. Hellenthal
The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
On Dec 29, 2019, at 15:57, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
:: If you're trying to get information in/out of a :: society that is raising network barriers to :: realtime communication, then you need methods :: that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
This is a great idea, but 99.9% of folks use GUI email. :-(
scott
--- rsk@gsp.org wrote:
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:11:23 -0500
And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly superior to web sites/message boards/et.al. when it comes to facilitating many-to-many communications between people. Why? Well, there are many reasons, but one of the applicable ones in this use case is that their queues can be written to media, physically transported in/out, and then injected either into an internal or external network seamlessly modulo the time delay. And because the computing resources required to handle this are in any laptop or desktop made in the last decade, probably earlier.
If you're trying to get information in/out of a society that is raising network barriers to realtime communication, then you need methods that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime.
---rsk
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