Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto
On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run?
No, but how else do you suggest we work to address these problems?
I am no longer active in the field, but back in the day, the ways of successfully selling stuff to management involved some mix of: It will improve sales. It will reduce costs. It will allow you to do something you want to do. It will keep you out of court and jail. No variation "It is the right thing to do" ever worked unless management thought of it. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon@cox.net> wrote:
On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run?
No, but how else do you suggest we work to address these problems?
I am no longer active in the field, but back in the day, the ways of successfully selling stuff to management involved some mix of:
It will improve sales. It will reduce costs. It will allow you to do something you want to do. It will keep you out of court and jail.
No variation "It is the right thing to do" ever worked unless management thought of it.
For $dayjob, automation (marketing term: SDN) has let us attain all of the above, including the ability to roll out fixes promptly and predictably. How we can encourage other actors to raise the bar is what I'm hoping occurs. Similar to Gert and his "Have you turned on IPv6 on something today" quote, did you contribute to the stability and security of the internet today? Sometimes it's tiny incremental work, but over time it's additive to make things better. Toyota has a concept of continual improvement in their processes, how can we improve? - Jared
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
how can we improve?
Hi Jared, Ask folks in the IRTF to hash out architectures for efficiently propagating permitted source information. The manual processes we have today don't cut it. Ask folks in the IETF and build a protocol or two around those architectures. And lobby lawmakers about the vast economic and national security implications of the corporate blind-eye to criminal behavior that the protocol solves. Not necessarily in that order. Banks with controls inadequate to obstruct money laundering face severe consequences. So do owners of swimming pools who make no effort to prevent child drownings. The former is criminal while the latter facilitates a huge torts under the attractive nuisance doctrine. Why should network operators with inadequate controls to obstruct source address fraud get a completely free pass? Surely the impact has become sufficiently severe! Alternately, it will be my pleasure to cheer everyone on as they achieve ever higher scores at whack-a-mole. With only the occasional snark. I promise. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run? No, but how else do you suggest we work to address these problems? I am no longer active in the field, but back in the day, the ways of successfully selling stuff to management involved some mix of:
It will improve sales. It will reduce costs. It will allow you to do something you want to do. It will keep you out of court and jail.
No variation "It is the right thing to do" ever worked unless management thought of it.
Things like DNSBLs could be used to encourage correct behavior. Why is your network performance shit? Because you allow your customers to spew sewage and you ended up on a blacklist, everyone now puts all your traffic in scavenger queue. -Dan
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