From: Florian Weimer [mailto:fw@deneb.enyo.de]
* David Hubbard:
Residential computers with enough bandwidth to DoS hosting providers; that should be fun.
How is this different from a typical dorm network? (Perhaps with all that P2P filtering software in place, it's a mere self-DoS nowadays, but the analogy was not that far off five years ago or so, with less bandwidth, of course.)
Three colleges I've worked at were pretty progressive in their monitoring, rate limiting and proactive management of dorm networks; i.e. full bandwidth to campus, i2, etc. destinations but maybe not to other remote locations, automated responses to bad behavior characteristics, etc. I'm far less worried about someone in a dorm launching a full gig of http requests against one IP than a residential computer doing that for 36 hours before someone from Google takes note. If they manage the broadband abuse they way they do gmail forum spammers, I don't have high hopes. David
I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Jones wrote:
I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?
In California I have had the best success with environmental impact reports from he public utility commission office. Your request is pretty vague :) What geographic area? What type (sea? land?) etc etc. There are a few companies who sell this data as well. After 9/11 it got really hard, but judicious use of search engines will find most stuff. - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer charles@knownelement.com http://www.knownelement.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktzL4gACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE8Z1wCffecAsiRKZT0mJD4ZIYN8rY6V t58AoJn7Dgd2LLemu+VObJQHCKy4e7LY =pg3F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:08 PM, James Jones wrote:
I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?
You may be better off asking nznog if it's local to you (or your email).
- Jared
It is no longer local to me. Other wise I would have asked them :)
FCC filings are rich with this type information. http://www.fcc.gov On 2/10/10, James Jones <james@freedomnet.co.nz> wrote:
I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?
-- Martin Hannigan martin@theicelandguy.com p: +16178216079 Power, Network, and Costs Consulting for Iceland Datacenters and Occupants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fibre On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Deric Kwok <deric.kwok2000@gmail.com>wrote:
Can I have question?
What is dark fiber?
Thank you
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, James Jones <james@freedomnet.co.nz> wrote:
I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?
GOOGLE: Dark fiber is optical fiber infrastructure (cabling and repeaters) that is currently in place but is not being used. Optical fiber conveys information in the form of light pulses so the "dark" means no light pulses are being sent. For example, some electric utilities have installed optical fiber cable where they already have power lines installed in the expectation that they can lease the infrastructure to telephone or cable TV companies or use it to interconnect their own offices. To the extent that these installations are unused, they are described as dark. -----Original Message----- From: Deric Kwok [mailto:deric.kwok2000@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: James Jones Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: dark fiber Can I have question? What is dark fiber? Thank you On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:08 PM, James Jones <james@freedomnet.co.nz> wrote:
I am doing some research....is there a way to find out where there is dark fiber and who own's it?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 08:21, Jess Cohen <jess@corenap.com> wrote:
GOOGLE: Dark fiber is optical fiber infrastructure (cabling and repeaters) that is currently in place but is not being used. Optical fiber conveys information in the form of light pulses so the "dark" means no light pulses are being sent. For example, some electric utilities have installed optical fiber cable where they already have power lines installed in the expectation that they can lease the infrastructure to telephone or cable TV companies or use it to interconnect their own offices. To the extent that these installations are unused, they are described as dark.
That is better than the link I was going to reference - reason I was going there was the recent announcement of the Google fiber to the community beta test. Are we seeing the beginnings of another move? Android phone OS, Google voice, Nexus One with the ability to make all calls voip... I heard Google made some major concessions [charging tax on internet purchases of the Nexus One] and is still being blocked on the "cannot be a phone company" end. Maybe if you can show you own a certain amount of infrastructure you automatically qualify as a phone company? I have no idea, I just see lots of little pieces coming together right now... --steve -- steve pirk refiamerica.org "father... the sleeper has awakened..." paul atreides - dune kexp.org member august '09
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