AfriNIC put these wonderful people on stage at the African Internet Summit. In parallel, I should offer /16s from an alternet IP space for USD1,000, buy one and get one free. </sarcasm> randy
AfriNIC did not put them on the stage. AIS was not convened by AfriNIC. It is very much like holding APNIC responsible for the content of other parts of an APRICOT meeting. It just doesn't reflect the facts. I agree that these TLD sellers are rather silly, but the organizers of the conference chose to allow free speech. You are, of course, free to criticize as you wish, but ideally, you should at least direct your criticism at those responsible. Owen On Jun 19, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
AfriNIC put these wonderful people on stage at the African Internet Summit.
<20130618_101455.jpg> In parallel, I should offer /16s from an alternet IP space for USD1,000, buy one and get one free.
</sarcasm>
randy
On 2013-06-19 12:14, Owen DeLong wrote:
You are, of course, free to criticize as you wish, but ideally, you should at least direct your criticism at those responsible.
Indeed, you should point out the simple fact that anybody with a budget can simply buy their time to sound like they belong somewhere and that people approve of what you do, and being the 'lunch sponsor' gets you there; ergo: verify what those sponsor's message is before letting them pay for spamming at your conference... Greets, Jeroen
On 6/19/13, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
I agree that these TLD sellers are rather silly, but the organizers of the conference chose to allow free speech.
I'm not sure it matters. Besides, you can always ignore their presentation, abstain from the meeting, go home, or bitch on NANOG; I'll agree TLD seller speeches are a waste of your time - well, unless the folks are from ICANN, who probably will be selling gTLDs en mass before too long, as they undergo technical feasability studies ---- and of course "the answer to a feasibility study is almost always “yes”". (see Robert Glass, Facts and Fallacies) Although, the bitching on NANOG bit only really serves to draw more attention to their existence, which is what the unauthorized 3rd party TLD selllers want anyways.
You are, of course, free to criticize as you wish, but ideally, you should at least direct your criticism at those responsible.
AfriNic kind of choses to associate themselves, by allowing their meeting to be at a venue, and proximal in time to the TLD sellers' speech.
Owen -- -JH
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
AfriNIC put these wonderful people on stage at the African Internet Summit.
At least they are good enough to include the facts in their FAQ : * 5 - Do business firms use open roots?* *Nowadays, no, or they are not identified. * Scott
Am I missing something, or is that purporting to be an IPv4 address beginning with 478? http://www.open-root.eu/about-open-root/how-to-install-an-open-root-website-... On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Scott Howard <scott@doc.net.au> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
AfriNIC put these wonderful people on stage at the African Internet Summit.
At least they are good enough to include the facts in their FAQ :
* 5 - Do business firms use open roots?* *Nowadays, no, or they are not identified. *
Scott
On 13-07-11 04:08 PM, Alex Buie wrote:
Am I missing something, or is that purporting to be an IPv4 address beginning with 478? Heh... it seems as though they mistyped '*78.47.115.194*' there.
> 7 - How to distinguish between identical TLDs?
Within the Icann framework, names such as: tube.com, tube.net, tube.org, etc. allow in principle to differentiate different domains under the same name.
Within the open root framework, if there are several .tube, one will distinguish them according to the root being activated.
Wait... so 'open root' isn't a single alternative root namespace? It's different depending on... near as I can tell which part of the planet you're in? Or is the product multiple independent roots... are you buying your own '.' tree or a 'tld.' tree? Clearly, this will work? Is this the future? "Visit my site at http://fluttershy.turgid.wonka.^78.47.115.194/index.go" -- Michael Brown | The true sysadmin does not adjust his behaviour Systems Administrator | to fit the machine. He adjusts the machine michael@supermathie.net | until it behaves properly. With a hammer, | if necessary. - Brian
They apparently have different "zones" (ie, they run 5 different, separate roots), and you pay a different price depending on how many "zones" you want your TLD to be active in. (cf http://www.open-root.eu/our-rates/list-of-zones-and-pricing/) On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Michael Brown <michael@supermathie.net>wrote:
On 13-07-11 04:08 PM, Alex Buie wrote:
Am I missing something, or is that purporting to be an IPv4 address beginning with 478?
Heh… it seems as though they mistyped '*78.47.115.194*' there.
7 - How to distinguish between identical TLDs?
Within the Icann framework, names such as: tube.com, tube.net, tube.org, etc. allow in principle to differentiate different domains under the same name.
Within the open root framework, if there are several .tube, one will distinguish them according to the root being activated. Wait… so 'open root' isn't a single alternative root namespace? It's different depending on… near as I can tell which part of the planet you're in?
Or is the product multiple independent roots… are you buying your own '.' tree or a 'tld.' tree?
Clearly, this will work‽
Is this the future? "Visit my site at http://fluttershy.turgid.wonka.^78.47.115.194/index.go"
-- Michael Brown | The true sysadmin does not adjust his behaviour Systems Administrator | to fit the machine. He adjusts the machinemichael@supermathie.net | until it behaves properly. With a hammer, | if necessary. - Brian
On 7/11/13, Alex Buie <alex.buie@frozenfeline.net> wrote: Wow... that's pretty exciting; long has the internet been plagued by the scourge of global DNS name uniqueness. The 10,000 fee to register in all zones, practically guarantees, that for some TLDs, you could take advantage of the fact that the company only registered in one zone -- in order to piggyback on their good name in other regions, to display pages dedicated to advertising in those regions, for the 2 or 3 people in that region using a DNS resolver that consults their root. Now they just need to work on overcoming the fact that their root would nonetheless be inaccessible to fewer than 0.01bps of internet users' DNS resolvers.
They apparently have different "zones" (ie, they run 5 different, separate roots), and you pay a different price depending on how many "zones" you want your TLD to be active in. (cf http://www.open-root.eu/our-rates/list-of-zones-and-pricing/)
-- -JH
hilarious! Now we know that open really means ... closed. C Alex Buie wrote:
They apparently have different "zones" (ie, they run 5 different, separate roots), and you pay a different price depending on how many "zones" you want your TLD to be active in. (cf http://www.open-root.eu/our-rates/list-of-zones-and-pricing/)
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Michael Brown <michael@supermathie.net>wrote:
On 13-07-11 04:08 PM, Alex Buie wrote:
Am I missing something, or is that purporting to be an IPv4 address beginning with 478?
Heh… it seems as though they mistyped '*78.47.115.194*' there.
7 - How to distinguish between identical TLDs? Within the Icann framework, names such as: tube.com, tube.net, tube.org, etc. allow in principle to differentiate different domains under the same name.
Within the open root framework, if there are several .tube, one will distinguish them according to the root being activated. Wait… so 'open root' isn't a single alternative root namespace? It's different depending on… near as I can tell which part of the planet you're in?
Or is the product multiple independent roots… are you buying your own '.' tree or a 'tld.' tree?
Clearly, this will work‽
Is this the future? "Visit my site at http://fluttershy.turgid.wonka.^78.47.115.194/index.go"
-- Michael Brown | The true sysadmin does not adjust his behaviour Systems Administrator | to fit the machine. He adjusts the machinemichael@supermathie.net | until it behaves properly. With a hammer, | if necessary. - Brian
If you're re-defining the general perception of DNS, why not re-define IPv4 whilst you're at it? It looks like the 4 at the start shouldn't be there - or at least, there is a DNS server at the IP address you get without the 4... Scott On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Alex Buie <alex.buie@frozenfeline.net>wrote:
Am I missing something, or is that purporting to be an IPv4 address beginning with 478?
http://www.open-root.eu/about-open-root/how-to-install-an-open-root-website-...
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Scott Howard <scott@doc.net.au> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
AfriNIC put these wonderful people on stage at the African Internet Summit.
At least they are good enough to include the facts in their FAQ :
* 5 - Do business firms use open roots?* *Nowadays, no, or they are not identified. *
Scott
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alex Buie <alex.buie@frozenfeline.net> wrote:
Am I missing something, or is that purporting to be an IPv4 address beginning with 478?
http://www.open-root.eu/about-open-root/how-to-install-an-open-root-website-...
you clearly are being limited by your bias to binary maths. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-terrell-math-quant-ternary-logic-of-binary-...
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Alex Buie <alex.buie@frozenfeline.net> wrote:
Am I missing something, or is that purporting to be an IPv4 address beginning with 478?
http://www.open-root.eu/about-open-root/how-to-install-an-open-root-website-...
you clearly are being limited by your bias to binary maths.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-terrell-math-quant-ternary-logic-of-binary-...
I hate you, Chris. My brain just ran and hid under a rock, and won't come back out anymore. :P Matt
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