Hi I am sure all of you know of these guys. But what do you do when they keep spamming your abuse address with reports for illegal downloads from IP-addresses that are in no way related to our business? I tried contacting them. And was told repeatedly that I had to update whois information if I want the reports to be sent to another address. How I do that for IP-ranges that are not mine is a good question. Besides the whois information for said IP-ranges already have valid abuse information and it is not our email address. Do I just block them for spamming? Regards, Baldur
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
I am sure all of you know of these guys. But what do you do when they keep spamming your abuse address with reports for illegal downloads from IP-addresses that are in no way related to our business?
fairly certian that nothing ip-echelon sends is ever valid... or there's enough 'clearly you are joking' mail from them that anyone who ends up in court for 'ip echelon violations' could simply subpeona their isp for 'other complaints from ip echelon' and show the judge: "Clearly these folk are on the good crack, case closed due to reasonable doubt."
I tried contacting them. And was told repeatedly that I had to update whois information if I want the reports to be sent to another address. How I do that for IP-ranges that are not mine is a good question. Besides the whois information for said IP-ranges already have valid abuse information and it is not our email address.
Do I just block them for spamming?
Regards,
Baldur
On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
fairly certian that nothing ip-echelon sends is ever valid... or there's enough 'clearly you are joking' mail from them that anyone who ends up in court for 'ip echelon violations' could simply subpeona their isp for 'other complaints from ip echelon' and show the judge: "Clearly these folk are on the good crack, case closed due to reasonable doubt."
Are these the jokers that send out PGP signed antipiracy notices, but don't have that key available anywhere on the internet (keyserver, webpage, etc) to validate the authenticity of their signed messages?
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015, Christopher Morrow wrote:
fairly certian that nothing ip-echelon sends is ever valid... or there's enough 'clearly you are joking' mail from them that anyone who ends up in court for 'ip echelon violations' could simply subpeona their isp for 'other complaints from ip echelon' and show the judge: "Clearly these folk are on the good crack, case closed due to reasonable doubt."
procmailrc is your friend. however far your lawyer lets you go.
On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 10:00:19PM +0200, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
Do I just block them for spamming?
Yes, since that's what they're doing. Consider: they're sending email. It's unsolicited (you did not ask for it by confirmed/closed-loop subscription). And it's bulk: these are not individual messages, they're auto-generated and primarily consist of identical boilerplate. Thus, unsolicited bulk email, thus spam (since that's the canonical definition). ---rsk
Nothing could possibly go wrong with turning loose a poorly coded software tool to make automated legal threats in the most litigious nation on earth. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 10:00:19PM +0200, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
Do I just block them for spamming?
Yes, since that's what they're doing.
Consider: they're sending email. It's unsolicited (you did not ask for it by confirmed/closed-loop subscription). And it's bulk: these are not individual messages, they're auto-generated and primarily consist of identical boilerplate. Thus, unsolicited bulk email, thus spam (since that's the canonical definition).
---rsk
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:
Nothing could possibly go wrong with turning loose a poorly coded software tool to make automated legal threats in the most litigious nation on earth.
you'd think, but they've been doing this for nigh on 8 yrs at least at this point.
If the IP addresses, hostnames, or domain names are not yours, why would you even bother responding? IANAL, I don't think it's your responsibility to direct them to the correct place. Consider an auto-responder directing them to the DMCA page of your corporate website. matthew black california state university, long beach -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Baldur Norddahl Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: IP-Echelon Compliance Hi I am sure all of you know of these guys. But what do you do when they keep spamming your abuse address with reports for illegal downloads from IP-addresses that are in no way related to our business? I tried contacting them. And was told repeatedly that I had to update whois information if I want the reports to be sent to another address. How I do that for IP-ranges that are not mine is a good question. Besides the whois information for said IP-ranges already have valid abuse information and it is not our email address. Do I just block them for spamming? Regards, Baldur
Oh, interesting you have the same? We receive thousands of these complains on daily basis that are not related to any of our IPs. Of course we contacted them... but never got a response. On 09.10.2015 at 22:00 Baldur Norddahl wrote:
Hi
I am sure all of you know of these guys. But what do you do when they keep spamming your abuse address with reports for illegal downloads from IP-addresses that are in no way related to our business?
I tried contacting them. And was told repeatedly that I had to update whois information if I want the reports to be sent to another address. How I do that for IP-ranges that are not mine is a good question. Besides the whois information for said IP-ranges already have valid abuse information and it is not our email address.
Do I just block them for spamming?
Regards,
Baldur
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