Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is announced from AS237, which is MERIT. Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 65105) 3356 7018 237 i Is this supposed to be? I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC. Alex
I am seeing the same thing: 1.0.0.0/8 *[BGP/170] 3d 13:48:10, MED 0, localpref 100, from 206.223.138.126 AS path: 3549 7018 237 I On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Alex H. Ryu wrote:
Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is announced from AS237, which is MERIT.
Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 65105) 3356 7018 237 i
Is this supposed to be? I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC.
Alex
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 14:21 -0500, Jim Popovitch wrote:
2010/2/24 Alex H. Ryu <r.hyunseog@ieee.org>:
Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is announced from AS237, which is MERIT.
IIRC, there was an email/wiki/announcement last month about 1/8 undergoing some testing soon.
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.txt extract from that, last update 22/feb/2010: Prefix Designation Date Whois Status [1] Note 000/8 IANA - Local Identification 1981-09 RESERVED [2] 001/8 APNIC 2010-01 whois.apnic.net ALLOCATED 002/8 RIPE NCC 2009-09 whois.ripe.net ALLOCATED
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2010/2/24 Alex H. Ryu <r.hyunseog@ieee.org>:
Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is announced from AS237, which is MERIT.
IIRC, there was an email/wiki/announcement last month about 1/8 undergoing some testing soon.
See the APNIC WHOIS for 1.0.0.0/8: route: 1.0.0.0/8 descr: MERIT Network Inc. 1000 Oakbrook Drive, Suite 200 Ann Arbor MI 48104, USA origin: AS237 mnt-by: MAINT-AS237 remarks: This announcement is part of an APNIC approved experiment. For additional information please send email to mkarir@merit.edu This would appear related to Manish Karir's e-mail on the "How polluted is 1/8" thread from 06 FEB 2010 (Message-ID: <609933721.3935701265474878472.JavaMail.root@crono>). Regards, Tim Wilde - -- Tim Wilde, Senior Software Engineer, Team Cymru, Inc. twilde@cymru.com | +1-630-230-5433 | http://www.team-cymru.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkuFgFoACgkQluRbRini9thLlQCfQNqRZsjX6vvcV1TX5P4NykQH pJEAniiz6OTlnXfey+EH/U7qoSTYt8fX =ieC1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 25/02/2010, at 6:13 AM, Alex H. Ryu wrote:
Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is announced from AS237, which is MERIT.
Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 65105) 3356 7018 237 i
Is this supposed to be? I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC.
Yes, this is supposed to be. This is one of a number of planned experiments in advertising all and selected parts of 1/8 in the coming weeks. Geoff Huston APNIC
Are these from youtube also? 1.1.1.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:04:22, MED 0, localpref 100 AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I 1.2.3.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:01:21, MED 0, localpref 100 AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I tomoya On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:02 +1100 Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: | |On 25/02/2010, at 6:13 AM, Alex H. Ryu wrote: | |> |> Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is |> announced from AS237, which is MERIT. |> |> |> Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path |> *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 |> 65105) 3356 7018 237 i |> |> Is this supposed to be? |> I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC. | |Yes, this is supposed to be. This is one of a number of planned experiments in advertising all and selected parts of 1/8 in the coming weeks. | |Geoff Huston |APNIC -- Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp>
Hi, As I noted in the previous note quoted below, APNIC are undertaking a second experiment with these two /24 routes originated by AS 36561. These two /24s appear to be the major attractors in the 1.0.0.0/8 space. YouTube have generously provided assistance for this second experiment, and we are very grateful for their help! Geoff Huston APNIC On 02/03/2010, at 6:59 PM, Tomoya Yoshida wrote:
Are these from youtube also?
1.1.1.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:04:22, MED 0, localpref 100 AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I 1.2.3.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:01:21, MED 0, localpref 100 AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I
tomoya
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:02 +1100 Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
| |On 25/02/2010, at 6:13 AM, Alex H. Ryu wrote: | |> |> Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is |> announced from AS237, which is MERIT. |> |> |> Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path |> *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 |> 65105) 3356 7018 237 i |> |> Is this supposed to be? |> I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC. | |Yes, this is supposed to be. This is one of a number of planned experiments in advertising all and selected parts of 1/8 in the coming weeks. | |Geoff Huston |APNIC
-- Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp>
Thank you Geoff. I asked because I could see 1/8 of merit AS237 but couldn't see of origin AS36561 for those two in database. Even if it's an experiment and sort term, It's better to be registerd in right origin I think. # It could be guessed but... When RPKI comes, is it no problem?? -tomoya On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:17:45 +1100 Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: |Hi, | |As I noted in the previous note quoted below, APNIC are undertaking a second experiment with these two /24 routes originated by AS 36561. These two /24s appear to be the major attractors in the 1.0.0.0/8 space. YouTube have generously provided assistance for this second experiment, and we are very grateful for their help! | | Geoff Huston | APNIC | | | | |On 02/03/2010, at 6:59 PM, Tomoya Yoshida wrote: | |> Are these from youtube also? |> |> 1.1.1.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:04:22, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> 1.2.3.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:01:21, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> |> tomoya |> |> |> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:02 +1100 |> Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: |> |> | |> |On 25/02/2010, at 6:13 AM, Alex H. Ryu wrote: |> | |> |> |> |> Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is |> |> announced from AS237, which is MERIT. |> |> |> |> |> |> Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path |> |> *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 |> |> 65105) 3356 7018 237 i |> |> |> |> Is this supposed to be? |> |> I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC. |> | |> |Yes, this is supposed to be. This is one of a number of planned experiments in advertising all and selected parts of 1/8 in the coming weeks. |> | |> |Geoff Huston |> |APNIC |> |> -- |> Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp> |> -- Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp>
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp> wrote:
Thank you Geoff.
I asked because I could see 1/8 of merit AS237 but couldn't see of origin AS36561 for those two in database. Even if it's an experiment and sort term, It's better to be registerd in right origin I think. # It could be guessed but...
which databases? morrowc@localhost:~$ whois -h rr.arin.net 1.2.3.0 % This is the ARIN Routing Registry. % Note: this output has been filtered. % Information related to '1.2.3.0/24AS36561' route: 1.2.3.0/24 descr: YouTube, Inc. descr: 901 Cherry Ave descr: San Bruno, CA 94066 descr: US origin: AS36561 mnt-by: MNT-YOUTU source: ARIN # Filtered morrowc@localhost:~$ whois -h rr.arin.net 1.1.1.0 % This is the ARIN Routing Registry. % Note: this output has been filtered. % Information related to '1.1.1.0/24AS36561' route: 1.1.1.0/24 descr: YouTube, Inc. descr: 901 Cherry Ave descr: San Bruno, CA 94066 descr: US origin: AS36561 mnt-by: MNT-YOUTU source: ARIN # Filtered These ought to then get around to other IRR-ish-things when their propogation times hit, yes? -Chris
When RPKI comes, is it no problem??
-tomoya
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:17:45 +1100 Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
|Hi, | |As I noted in the previous note quoted below, APNIC are undertaking a second experiment with these two /24 routes originated by AS 36561. These two /24s appear to be the major attractors in the 1.0.0.0/8 space. YouTube have generously provided assistance for this second experiment, and we are very grateful for their help! | | Geoff Huston | APNIC | | | | |On 02/03/2010, at 6:59 PM, Tomoya Yoshida wrote: | |> Are these from youtube also? |> |> 1.1.1.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:04:22, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> 1.2.3.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:01:21, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> |> tomoya |> |> |> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:02 +1100 |> Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: |> |> | |> |On 25/02/2010, at 6:13 AM, Alex H. Ryu wrote: |> | |> |> |> |> Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is |> |> announced from AS237, which is MERIT. |> |> |> |> |> |> Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path |> |> *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 |> |> 65105) 3356 7018 237 i |> |> |> |> Is this supposed to be? |> |> I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC. |> | |> |Yes, this is supposed to be. This is one of a number of planned experiments in advertising all and selected parts of 1/8 in the coming weeks. |> | |> |Geoff Huston |> |APNIC |> |> -- |> Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp> |>
-- Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp>
Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp> wrote:
Thank you Geoff.
I asked because I could see 1/8 of merit AS237 but couldn't see of origin AS36561 for those two in database. Even if it's an experiment and sort term, It's better to be registerd in right origin I think. # It could be guessed but...
which databases?
morrowc@localhost:~$ whois -h rr.arin.net 1.2.3.0 % This is the ARIN Routing Registry.
% Note: this output has been filtered.
% Information related to '1.2.3.0/24AS36561'
route: 1.2.3.0/24 descr: YouTube, Inc. descr: 901 Cherry Ave descr: San Bruno, CA 94066 descr: US origin: AS36561 mnt-by: MNT-YOUTU source: ARIN # Filtered
morrowc@localhost:~$ whois -h rr.arin.net 1.1.1.0 % This is the ARIN Routing Registry.
% Note: this output has been filtered.
% Information related to '1.1.1.0/24AS36561'
route: 1.1.1.0/24 descr: YouTube, Inc. descr: 901 Cherry Ave descr: San Bruno, CA 94066 descr: US origin: AS36561 mnt-by: MNT-YOUTU source: ARIN # Filtered
These ought to then get around to other IRR-ish-things when their propogation times hit, yes?
-Chris
I'm not positive that this is still the case, but I believe that there can be quite a bit of latency in mirroring due to the way RIPE database code (which ARIN uses) works. The last object(s) registered are not pushed to the mirror stream until the next object(s) are registered. I believe RIPE regularly pushes a dummy object in order to keep it's mirrors more regularly synced. I don't think that ARIN does this. It's a bigger issue for ARIN as their routing registry is updated less frequently than the RIPE routing registry. According to our logs, the objects were not mirrored on the RADB server until about 2.5 hours after Tomoya posted his email (the objects were picked up from the ARIN mirror at 05:37:42 -0500 (EST) March 2). --Larry
When RPKI comes, is it no problem??
-tomoya
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:17:45 +1100 Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
|Hi, | |As I noted in the previous note quoted below, APNIC are undertaking a second experiment with these two /24 routes originated by AS 36561. These two /24s appear to be the major attractors in the 1.0.0.0/8 space. YouTube have generously provided assistance for this second experiment, and we are very grateful for their help! | | Geoff Huston | APNIC | | | | |On 02/03/2010, at 6:59 PM, Tomoya Yoshida wrote: | |> Are these from youtube also? |> |> 1.1.1.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:04:22, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> 1.2.3.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:01:21, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> |> tomoya |> |> |> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:02 +1100 |> Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: |> |> | |> |On 25/02/2010, at 6:13 AM, Alex H. Ryu wrote: |> | |> |> |> |> Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is |> |> announced from AS237, which is MERIT. |> |> |> |> |> |> Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path |> |> *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 |> |> 65105) 3356 7018 237 i |> |> |> |> Is this supposed to be? |> |> I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC. |> | |> |Yes, this is supposed to be. This is one of a number of planned experiments in advertising all and selected parts of 1/8 in the coming weeks. |> | |> |Geoff Huston |> |APNIC |> |> -- |> Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp> |>
-- Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp>
I'm sorry my RR update was ... too late? Did this cause a problem for someone? --N (AS36561) On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:28, Larry Blunk <ljb@merit.edu> wrote:
Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp> wrote:
Thank you Geoff.
I asked because I could see 1/8 of merit AS237 but couldn't see of origin AS36561 for those two in database. Even if it's an experiment and sort term, It's better to be registerd in right origin I think. # It could be guessed but...
which databases?
morrowc@localhost:~$ whois -h rr.arin.net 1.2.3.0 % This is the ARIN Routing Registry.
% Note: this output has been filtered.
% Information related to '1.2.3.0/24AS36561'
route: 1.2.3.0/24 descr: YouTube, Inc. descr: 901 Cherry Ave descr: San Bruno, CA 94066 descr: US origin: AS36561 mnt-by: MNT-YOUTU source: ARIN # Filtered
morrowc@localhost:~$ whois -h rr.arin.net 1.1.1.0 % This is the ARIN Routing Registry.
% Note: this output has been filtered.
% Information related to '1.1.1.0/24AS36561'
route: 1.1.1.0/24 descr: YouTube, Inc. descr: 901 Cherry Ave descr: San Bruno, CA 94066 descr: US origin: AS36561 mnt-by: MNT-YOUTU source: ARIN # Filtered
These ought to then get around to other IRR-ish-things when their propogation times hit, yes?
-Chris
I'm not positive that this is still the case, but I believe that there can be quite a bit of latency in mirroring due to the way RIPE database code (which ARIN uses) works. The last object(s) registered are not pushed to the mirror stream until the next object(s) are registered. I believe RIPE regularly pushes a dummy object in order to keep it's mirrors more regularly synced. I don't think that ARIN does this. It's a bigger issue for ARIN as their routing registry is updated less frequently than the RIPE routing registry.
According to our logs, the objects were not mirrored on the RADB server until about 2.5 hours after Tomoya posted his email (the objects were picked up from the ARIN mirror at 05:37:42 -0500 (EST) March 2).
--Larry
When RPKI comes, is it no problem??
-tomoya
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:17:45 +1100 Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote:
|Hi, | |As I noted in the previous note quoted below, APNIC are undertaking a second experiment with these two /24 routes originated by AS 36561. These two /24s appear to be the major attractors in the 1.0.0.0/8 space. YouTube have generously provided assistance for this second experiment, and we are very grateful for their help! | | Geoff Huston | APNIC | | | | |On 02/03/2010, at 6:59 PM, Tomoya Yoshida wrote: | |> Are these from youtube also? |> |> 1.1.1.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:04:22, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> 1.2.3.0/24 *[BGP/170] 07:01:21, MED 0, localpref 100 |> AS path: 2914 3356 36561 I |> |> tomoya |> |> |> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:02 +1100 |> Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: |> |> | |> |On 25/02/2010, at 6:13 AM, Alex H. Ryu wrote: |> | |> |> |> |> Today I jumped into one of our routers, and I found that 1.0.0.0/8 is |> |> announced from AS237, which is MERIT. |> |> |> |> |> |> Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path |> |> *> 1.0.0.0/8 4.59.200.5 0 60 0 (65001 |> |> 65105) 3356 7018 237 i |> |> |> |> Is this supposed to be? |> |> I thought 1.0.0.0/8 is allocated to APNIC. |> | |> |Yes, this is supposed to be. This is one of a number of planned experiments in advertising all and selected parts of 1/8 in the coming weeks. |> | |> |Geoff Huston |> |APNIC |> |> -- |> Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp> |>
-- Tomoya Yoshida <yoshida@nttv6.jp>
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