Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
Does not need to be – just a suggestion based on the thinking that these locales may have more dense populations and thus perhaps higher FTTH penetration for a longer period of time. But the data from any network will certainly have some interest. From: Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 11:36 To: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> Cc: Abhi Devireddy <abhi@devireddy.com>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Why does it have to be non-US? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 9:20 AM Livingood, Jason via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote:
I think the 10:1 ratio might have been great 5 years ago, when usage was more asymmetric. The last 5 yrs. have definitely changed the profile of a typical home user. A 4M upload pipe, will hit bottlenecks with all the collaboration that is happening remotely.
I'm not sure ratio is the right thing to focus upon - especially as asymmetry has grown the last few years due to the rising using of streaming video services and greater availability of 4K-resolution content. Ratio seems like more a reflection of current applications and usage patterns. (It would be fascinating to see a non-US FTTH provider that was 1G/1G or greater share their actual usage ratio.) JL
I think going to other countries gets us a different market (ie less video content/quality, probably significantly less upload due to 384k rates, etc). I suppose if you're trying to push an agenda it might be a good idea, but I can't imagine a reason we'd want to compare other countries *_*usage_ to the US. Just my opinion and thoughts. The only "definition of broadband" we get is from the FCC which trickles down to the states. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:14 PM Livingood, Jason < Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
Does not need to be – just a suggestion based on the thinking that these locales may have more dense populations and thus perhaps higher FTTH penetration for a longer period of time. But the data from any network will certainly have some interest.
*From: *Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> *Date: *Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 11:36 *To: *"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> *Cc: *Abhi Devireddy <abhi@devireddy.com>, "nanog@nanog.org" < nanog@nanog.org> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
Why does it have to be non-US?
Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 9:20 AM Livingood, Jason via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
I think the 10:1 ratio might have been great 5 years ago, when usage was more asymmetric. The last 5 yrs. have definitely changed the profile of a typical home user. A 4M upload pipe, will hit bottlenecks with all the
collaboration that is happening remotely.
I'm not sure ratio is the right thing to focus upon - especially as asymmetry has grown the last few years due to the rising using of streaming video services and greater availability of 4K-resolution content. Ratio seems like more a reflection of current applications and usage patterns. (It would be fascinating to see a non-US FTTH provider that was 1G/1G or greater share their actual usage ratio.)
JL
Netflix has a different library in the US versus UK: https://surfshark.com/blog/netflix-uk-vs-us Various countries have different speeds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speed... It's hard to compare data when the underlying variables are different. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:40 AM Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
On 6/2/21 15:25, Josh Luthman wrote:
I think going to other countries gets us a different market (ie less video content/quality, probably significantly less upload due to 384k rates, etc).
Huh?
Mark.
On 6/2/21 15:46, Josh Luthman wrote:
Netflix has a different library in the US versus UK: https://surfshark.com/blog/netflix-uk-vs-us <https://surfshark.com/blog/netflix-uk-vs-us>
Practically, not sure this matters. There are a lot more titles on Netflix than we shall ever be able to view in our lifetime. Also, a title not available on Netflix in some country will be available via other means, if it's that good. Many of the good shows on Netflix are not Netflix originals. But most importantly, the reason Netflix are doing well in non-U.S. markets is because they are producing content specifically for the markets they operate in, especially in the local language. Did you know "The Witcher" is based on Polish folklore? I'd hazard that this is one of the biggest reasons of Netflix's success on a global scale, particularly in non-English speaking countries. So no, I don't see the library as a factor.
Various countries have different speeds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speed... <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds#Fixed_broadband>
I am looking for the 384Kbps in that URL but can't seem to find it... On the real though, you're probably better off jumping on a plane and going to see what's out there.
It's hard to compare data when the underlying variables are different.
As I said before, some of my worst Internet has not been in a developing country... Mark.
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