Hello, A friend of mine is working on one of the committees for next years Supercomputing conference and noticed that, in the past, they'd had participants from most continents but none from Africa. Does anyone know of a good organization/group/etc which we could spam with our conference notice and request for participation? Thanks! Eric :) PS: For those who are curious, here's part of the write-up for the SC Global portion of next years Supercomputing conference:
SC Global is the multi-national and multi-cultural meeting place for communication and discussion of ideas relating to high-end computing and communications and their impact on science and society. SC Global 2003 will be the second time we've held such an event; we have the opportunity to build on the successes of SC Global 2001, and to learn from its challenges.
SC Global will include several Showcase events featuring art, music, dance, and other innovative uses of advanced collaboration technologies. In addition, SC Global will be an important extension of SC 2003's high-quality technical program. For example, papers presented in SC Global will meet the same high standards as those in the regular Technical Papers sessions.
Have you tried AFNOG ? http://www.afnog.org/ They have a mailing list AfNOG Mailing List The AfNOG mailing list is established to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of specific implementation issues that require cooperation among African network service providers. To subscribe, send an email message to majordomo@afnog.org with 'subscribe afnog' (without the quotes) as text in the body of the message. Regards Marshall Eubanks On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 11:33 AM, Eric Gauthier wrote:
Hello,
A friend of mine is working on one of the committees for next years Supercomputing conference and noticed that, in the past, they'd had participants from most continents but none from Africa. Does anyone know of a good organization/group/etc which we could spam with our conference notice and request for participation?
Thanks!
Eric :)
PS: For those who are curious, here's part of the write-up for the SC Global portion of next years Supercomputing conference:
SC Global is the multi-national and multi-cultural meeting place for communication and discussion of ideas relating to high-end computing and communications and their impact on science and society. SC Global 2003 will be the second time we've held such an event; we have the opportunity to build on the successes of SC Global 2001, and to learn from its challenges.
SC Global will include several Showcase events featuring art, music, dance, and other innovative uses of advanced collaboration technologies. In addition, SC Global will be an important extension of SC 2003's high-quality technical program. For example, papers presented in SC Global will meet the same high standards as those in the regular Technical Papers sessions.
Hello,
A friend of mine is working on one of the committees for next years Supercomputing conference and noticed that, in the past, they'd had participants from most continents but none from Africa. Does anyone know of a good organization/group/etc which we could spam with our conference notice and request for participation?
Would that friend be so kind as to name more than a handful places in Africa with IP connectivity (multinational companies do not count). Alex
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 alex@yuriev.com wrote:
Hello,
A friend of mine is working on one of the committees for next years Supercomputing conference and noticed that, in the past, they'd had participants from most continents but none from Africa. Does anyone know of a good organization/group/etc which we could spam with our conference notice and request for participation?
Would that friend be so kind as to name more than a handful places in Africa with IP connectivity (multinational companies do not count).
Most major cities in most countries have at a minimum ip dialup services, in major metropolitan centers there are now large numbers of wireless isps as well... A more interesting and germane question is how big is the number of people/organizations in africa with hpc applications and how do your reach them, since that is the subset of folks interested in attending super computing.
Alex
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On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 10:24:11AM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 alex@yuriev.com wrote:
Hello,
A friend of mine is working on one of the committees for next years Supercomputing conference and noticed that, in the past, they'd had participants from most continents but none from Africa. Does anyone know of a good organization/group/etc which we could spam with our conference notice and request for participation?
Would that friend be so kind as to name more than a handful places in Africa with IP connectivity (multinational companies do not count).
Most major cities in most countries have at a minimum ip dialup services, in major metropolitan centers there are now large numbers of wireless isps as well...
One thing to keep in mind is that people that reside in Africa are large/huge prepaid GSM users. Take that and apply it to mobile data services over cell phones (3G and the likes) and I think you lend yourselves to interesting things. Doing bluetooth or IR to your desktop/laptop from your phone to get 128k+ speeds where there is no wired infrastructure but cellular will do interesting things to transform internet usage in these places and others that have skipped the wired telephony phase of "development". Take that in conjunction with the talks at nanog about ipv6, pigs and rockets strapped on and you will start to see some of the most interesting developments yet in the internet. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
Would that friend be so kind as to name more than a handful places in Africa with IP connectivity (multinational companies do not count).
while we're not chasing elephants off the runway, or killing lions/tigers/each other on the sandroads, some people actually spend their time in the confines of a building of sorts earning a living. quite often this even involves the internet, although this might change if our government continues the way they have been for the last few months.
On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:29:57 +0200, fingers <fingers@fingers.co.za> said:
while we're not chasing elephants off the runway, or killing lions/tigers/each other on the sandroads, some people actually spend their time in the confines of a building of sorts earning a living. quite often this even involves the internet, although this might change if our government continues the way they have been for the last few months.
But there's this huge growth industry in Nigerian-scam spam. ;) (Sorry, I couldn't resist...)
Would that friend be so kind as to name more than a handful places in Africa with IP connectivity (multinational companies do not count).
Hi Alex, Access beyond the capital cities varies, but as several folks have pointed out, there is IP connectivity to all countries in the region, run by local ISPs, telcos, and universities, etc. Eritrea was the last country on the continent to bring up an IP link - in November 2000. Tunisia was the first to connect to the global Internet in March 1991, followed by South Africa later that year, etc. A few relatively recent updates, from engineers we work with in the respective countries... http://www.nsrc.org/db/lookup/operation=lookup-report/ID=1014648054895:48874... http://www.nsrc.org/db/lookup/operation=lookup-report/ID=1011802447635:48902... http://www.nsrc.org/db/lookup/operation=lookup-report/ID=1007087598617:48902... http://www.nsrc.org/db/lookup/operation=lookup-report/ID=1037285984211:48884... http://www.nsrc.org/db/lookup/operation=lookup-report/ID=1022602245849:48891... http://www.nsrc.org/db/lookup/operation=lookup-report/ID=1037635414317:48905... http://nsrc.org/AFRICA/ML/ml-topo-janvier-2001.gif http://www.nsrc.org/AFRICA/GH/ncs-topo-jan-2002.gif etc. Steve Huter
Would that friend be so kind as to name more than a handful places in Africa with IP connectivity (multinational companies do not count).
fyi, all countries in africa are ip connected. dunno how big your hands are, but there are over 50 countries in africa.
Pardon me for not counting "allocated" addresses as IP connectivity. Alex
fyi, all countries in africa are ip connected. dunno how big your hands are, but there are over 50 countries in africa.
Pardon me for not counting "allocated" addresses as IP connectivity.
You're pardoned, but just barely. Try some traceroutes, and you'll find that every country in Africa does indeed have some kind of IP connectivity. There seem to be a lot of ISPs who get little slices of IP from satellite carriers like emperion.net in Denmark. Much of the 419 spam I get from Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, and other west African countries originates in cybercafes with satellite links. -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail
There seem to be a lot of ISPs who get little slices of IP from satellite carriers like emperion.net in Denmark. Much of the 419 spam I get from Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, and other west African countries originates in cybercafes with satellite links.
i don't know if I've ever actually received 1 of those spam messages from a host inside Nigeria
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, fingers wrote:
i don't know if I've ever actually received 1 of those spam messages from a host inside Nigeria
About 45% of the nigerian scams I receive originate directly from nigerian IPs, another 45% originate from a2000.nl in the netherlands, and the last 10% from lagos. -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, fingers wrote:
i don't know if I've ever actually received 1 of those spam messages from a host inside Nigeria
About 45% of the nigerian scams I receive originate directly from nigerian IPs, another 45% originate from a2000.nl in the netherlands, and the last 10% from lagos.
Someone folks may remember from the list way back, Robbie Honkerkamp, is working in Africa building net. Here's an sample: http://www.tangaza.com/Home/IntroStatic.html http://www.rufaa.com/ Anyhow, I think the big problem in Africa is pipe size. It's pretty neat that with small pipes people put up such big websites. -M
The FBI unit working these cases will be happy to confirm most do originate in Africa even if the money ultimately ends up elsewhere. http://www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/fraudschemes.htm#nigerian Best regards, ______________________________ Al Rowland -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of fingers Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:00 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Networking in Africa...
There seem to be a lot of ISPs who get little slices of IP from satellite carriers like emperion.net in Denmark. Much of the 419 spam
I get from Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, and other west African countries originates in cybercafes with satellite links.
i don't know if I've ever actually received 1 of those spam messages from a host inside Nigeria
As is the Secret Service....they have an address for reporting as well: 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov At 14:11 12/2/02 -0800, you wrote:
The FBI unit working these cases will be happy to confirm most do originate in Africa even if the money ultimately ends up elsewhere.
http://www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/fraudschemes.htm#nigerian
Best regards, ______________________________ Al Rowland
i don't know if I've ever actually received 1 of those spam messages from a host inside Nigeria
wow, i seem to get several per day. would you like some, i can setup an exploder for some of my spam if anyones interested? ;)
and they're all actually sent/relayed through a host in Nigeria? my first few were, none that I received after that were. alot from south africa, and a few other parts, but no more from Nigeria
At 12:22 AM 03-12-02 +0200, fingers wrote:
i don't know if I've ever actually received 1 of those spam messages from a host inside Nigeria
wow, i seem to get several per day. would you like some, i can setup an exploder for some of my spam if anyones interested? ;)
and they're all actually sent/relayed through a host in Nigeria? my first few were, none that I received after that were. alot from south africa, and a few other parts, but no more from Nigeria
I have over 100 IPs blocked for smtp+www that cover many Cybercafes in Africa. The list gets updated daily. :-( -Hank
fingers wrote:
There seem to be a lot of ISPs who get little slices of IP from satellite carriers like emperion.net in Denmark. Much of the 419 spam I get from Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, and other west African countries originates in cybercafes with satellite links.
i don't know if I've ever actually received 1 of those spam messages from a host inside Nigeria
I receive business scams and spams all the time from Nigeria once every week. It has turned out into a scam weekly newsletter now.. But it isn't that bad as much as the amount of spam me and our users received from China.. We were being spammed from China so many times from various IP addresses (as much as 1,500 spams a week) that we simply had to block all IP addresses assigned for ChinaNet and various parts of APNIC. Afterwards, I bet we saved at least 1megabit worth of bandwidth avoiding all these Chinese spams. Just my experience with this spam annoyance. -hc
fyi, all countries in africa are ip connected. dunno how big your hands are, but there are over 50 countries in africa.
Pardon me for not counting "allocated" addresses as IP connectivity.
You're pardoned, but just barely. Try some traceroutes, and you'll find that every country in Africa does indeed have some kind of IP connectivity.
Try finding some IP connectivity while in Nigeria. You would be hard-pressed, even if you are willing to pay enormous $$.
There seem to be a lot of ISPs who get little slices of IP from satellite carriers like emperion.net in Denmark. Much of the 419 spam I get from Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, and other west African countries originates in cybercafes with satellite links.
Correction... *very* *few* satellite links. Alex
Correction... *very* *few* satellite links.
actually, some countries have _mostly_ sat links for atleast their intl connectivity. and very small links at that. some countries, where allowed to, run vsat radio or microwave for everything from backbone links to local loop for customers. if you're bored take a look at the archives for isp-sat
Try finding some IP connectivity while in Nigeria. You would be hard-pressed, even if you are willing to pay enormous $$.
I get lots and lots and lots of spam from cybercafes located in Nigeria, as well as apologies from both the cafes and the upstream networks. I realize this doesn't fit with your preconceptions, so I'll drop it here. Be sure not to look at http://directory.google.com/Top/Regional/Africa/Nigeria/Business_and_Economy... or you might learn about at least ten ISPs operating in Nigeria. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
Who cares? It's not like one of you got ripped off by 419. Load up SpamAssassin and forget about it. Kinda sad how a thread that started about finding networkers in Africa turns into derogatory remarks about countries you have no clue about. Shut up and move along. -- Omachonu Ogali Information Wave Technologies missnglnk@informationwave.net http://www.informationwave.net
Who cares? It's not like one of you got ripped off by 419. Load up SpamAssassin and forget about it.
SpamAssassin doesn't block 419 spam very well because the messages keep changing. Since I get at least a thousand 419 spams for every actual message from West Africa, the reasonable response is to block networks from which I get repeated 419 spam until they figure out how to deal with their spam problem. So far, none of them have come off the block list yet, although there's one or two that seem to have clueful enough management that I didn't block them in the first place. -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail
Try finding some IP connectivity while in Nigeria. You would be hard-pressed, even if you are willing to pay enormous $$.
I get lots and lots and lots of spam from cybercafes located in Nigeria, as well as apologies from both the cafes and the upstream networks. I realize this doesn't fit with your preconceptions, so I'll drop it here.
Be sure not to look at http://directory.google.com/Top/Regional/Africa/Nigeria/Business_and_Economy... or you might learn about at least ten ISPs operating in Nigeria.
*yawn* Have you ever been in Lagos? Alex
The most recent? Lagos, Sep 2002.
africa is quite large. lagos constitutes but a small portion of it.
but I am being told that Lagos is the center of Africa by such knowledgeble persons who claim that there are *gasp* thousands *gasp* of cyber-cafe's in Lagos. I mean since there no thousands cyber-cafe's in the entire US, I am sure presence of thousands of them in a rather small city means it is *the* center. Alex
but I am being told that Lagos is the center of Africa by such knowledgeble persons who claim that there are *gasp* thousands *gasp* of cyber-cafe's in Lagos. I mean since there no thousands cyber-cafe's in the entire US, I am sure presence of thousands of them in a rather small city means it is *the* center.
a cybercafe != the centre of a continent! wake up. there are many cyber-cafe's in south africa too. sometimes as many as 12 in a single street. but i'd not call south africa the centre of a continent just because of it. each country is different. each country brings with it it's own regulatory framework, incumbent telco of varying degrees, etc. judging any continent on a single country is extremely closed-minded.
may be africa is different, but in other developing countries (central asia, south america) cybercafes substitute personal PC access. No one goes to cybercafes in the us since an average middle class family can afford a computer and typically has a phone line. elsewhere, people pool resources to get a 64 kbps line and a bank of six to eight pcs on a lan. people use cybercafes in the same fashion they used pcs here -- i have seen cybercafes set up in shanty towns. ----- Original Message ----- From: <alex@yuriev.com> To: "fingers" <fingers@fingers.co.za> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Networking in Africa...
The most recent? Lagos, Sep 2002.
africa is quite large. lagos constitutes but a small portion of it.
but I am being told that Lagos is the center of Africa by such
knowledgeble
persons who claim that there are *gasp* thousands *gasp* of cyber-cafe's in Lagos. I mean since there no thousands cyber-cafe's in the entire US, I am sure presence of thousands of them in a rather small city means it is *the* center.
Alex
At 05:36 PM 02-12-02 -0500, alex@yuriev.com wrote:
fyi, all countries in africa are ip connected. dunno how big your hands are, but there are over 50 countries in africa.
Pardon me for not counting "allocated" addresses as IP connectivity.
You're pardoned, but just barely. Try some traceroutes, and you'll find that every country in Africa does indeed have some kind of IP connectivity.
Try finding some IP connectivity while in Nigeria. You would be hard-pressed, even if you are willing to pay enormous $$.
http://www.gilat.com/post/GilatinAfrica.pdf We currently provide 14Mb/sec of upstream commodity Internet access for Gilat. Most of it is to Nigeria with Congo, Cameroon, Aritrea, Madagascar, Ghana and Mozambique nicely represented. -Hank
There seem to be a lot of ISPs who get little slices of IP from satellite carriers like emperion.net in Denmark. Much of the 419 spam I get from Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, and other west African countries originates in cybercafes with satellite links.
Correction... *very* *few* satellite links.
Alex
Would that friend be so kind as to name more than a handful places in Africa with IP connectivity (multinational companies do not count). fyi, all countries in africa are ip connected. dunno how big your hands are, but there are over 50 countries in africa. Pardon me for not counting "allocated" addresses as IP connectivity.
personally, i don't care what you count. but it's clear what you don't know and where your prejudices lie. fyi, i count pingability. randy
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