Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers
Hi NANOG, I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out: 1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now? 2. If, and how, are they handling NAT64 for native IPv6 edge devices? 3. What is the percentage of breakdown for users on native IPv6? Dual stacked? GREE is a mobile social gaming company and we're trying to better understand what lies between our customer's smart phones and our servers. My next step will be to reach out to the carriers themselves, but I figured many of their Network Engineers are probably on the NANOG mailing list and this would be a great place to start. Thanks in advance for your time and assistance. Sincerely, - Paul Porter -- *Paul G. Porter *GREE International | Network Engineer CCNP, CCSP, JNCIS-FWV, JNCIA-Junos E-mail: paul.porter@gree.net Mobile: (510) 371-1147 Twitter: paul_g_porter
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter" <paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi, T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well. This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
2. If, and how, are they handling NAT64 for native IPv6 edge devices?
Yes, NAT64 / DNS64 is used in the case of reaching ipv4-only nodes. If you are concerned about middleboxs, you should deploy IPv6.
3. What is the percentage of breakdown for users on native IPv6? Dual stacked?
GREE is a mobile social gaming company and we're trying to better understand what lies between our customer's smart phones and our servers. My next step will be to reach out to the carriers themselves, but I
Small today. As IPv6 becomes the default setting, that will change. CB figured
many of their Network Engineers are probably on the NANOG mailing list and this would be a great place to start.
Thanks in advance for your time and assistance.
Sincerely,
- Paul Porter
-- *Paul G. Porter *GREE International | Network Engineer CCNP, CCSP, JNCIS-FWV, JNCIA-Junos E-mail: paul.porter@gree.net Mobile: (510) 371-1147 Twitter: paul_g_porter
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now? Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
IPV6 is present, to my knowledge, on all devices on the Verizon IPV6 LTE network. I noticed its using it to communicate to Google for many of it's services when I ran a netstat. I believe they mandated support for it from any certified device. Unfortunately, it's still firewalled. On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
iOS 5.1 includes SLAAC and DHCPv6 client. Tina
-----Original Message----- From: PC [mailto:paul4004@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:59 PM To: Paul Graydon Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers
IPV6 is present, to my knowledge, on all devices on the Verizon IPV6 LTE network. I noticed its using it to communicate to Google for many of it's services when I ran a netstat. I believe they mandated support for it from any certified device.
Unfortunately, it's still firewalled.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not
have
an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
In the radio interface? Something in the GUI? Alvaro -----Mensaje original----- De: Tina TSOU [mailto:Tina.Tsou.Zouting@huawei.com] Enviado el: miércoles, 23 de mayo de 2012 2:03 Para: PC; Paul Graydon CC: nanog@nanog.org Asunto: RE: Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers iOS 5.1 includes SLAAC and DHCPv6 client. Tina
-----Original Message----- From: PC [mailto:paul4004@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:59 PM To: Paul Graydon Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers
IPV6 is present, to my knowledge, on all devices on the Verizon IPV6 LTE network. I noticed its using it to communicate to Google for many of it's services when I ran a netstat. I believe they mandated support for it from any certified device.
Unfortunately, it's still firewalled.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not
have
an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
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Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address. thanks, -Randy ----- Original Message -----
IPV6 is present, to my knowledge, on all devices on the Verizon IPV6 LTE network. I noticed its using it to communicate to Google for many of it's services when I ran a netstat. I believe they mandated support for it from any certified device.
Unfortunately, it's still firewalled.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
wierd, I could swear someone in my office with a galaxy-nexus-on-vzw was able to browse some ipv6-only sites.
I suppose they are selectively letting certain devices in some areas. I get "der duh, what?" when I ask about it. It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall. thanks, -Randy ----- Original Message -----
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
wierd, I could swear someone in my office with a galaxy-nexus-on-vzw was able to browse some ipv6-only sites.
Verizon still seems to be quiet about their IPv6 plans for their FiOS network too :(. Derek On 5/22/2012 10:18 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
I suppose they are selectively letting certain devices in some areas. I get "der duh, what?" when I ask about it.
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
thanks, -Randy
----- Original Message -----
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
wierd, I could swear someone in my office with a galaxy-nexus-on-vzw was able to browse some ipv6-only sites.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Derek Ivey <derek@derekivey.com> wrote:
Verizon still seems to be quiet about their IPv6 plans for their FiOS network too :(.
no they aren't, their complete lack of any noise is their plan. no plan. joy.
On 5/22/2012 10:18 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
I suppose they are selectively letting certain devices in some areas. I get "der duh, what?" when I ask about it.
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
thanks, -Randy
----- Original Message -----
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
wierd, I could swear someone in my office with a galaxy-nexus-on-vzw was able to browse some ipv6-only sites.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
I suppose they are selectively letting certain devices in some areas. I get "der duh, what?" when I ask about it.
uhm... you asked someone at their kiosks/stores about ipv<anything>?? you are a very, very brave man.
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
good times!! mobile carriers live in what seems like a very different world from the one the rest of the internet lives in :( (cameron's folk aside, where there are still some oddities, at least you can get working ipv6, and mostly working v4... or working enough that I can tether my phone and vpn over that connection when necessary) -chris
thanks, -Randy
----- Original Message -----
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
wierd, I could swear someone in my office with a galaxy-nexus-on-vzw was able to browse some ipv6-only sites.
----- Original Message -----
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
I suppose they are selectively letting certain devices in some areas. I get "der duh, what?" when I ask about it.
uhm... you asked someone at their kiosks/stores about ipv<anything>?? you are a very, very brave man.
No... the Business technical support via telephone. They knew what I was talking about, but no idea about what VZW's plans are for it.
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
good times!! mobile carriers live in what seems like a very different world from the one the rest of the internet lives in :(
Tell me about it. I would settle for a stable IPv4 address (dynamic is fine, but a "lease" time of something closer to an hour, rather than 2 minutes) -Randy
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
I suppose they are selectively letting certain devices in some areas. I get "der duh, what?" when I ask about it.
uhm... you asked someone at their kiosks/stores about ipv<anything>?? you are a very, very brave man.
No... the Business technical support via telephone. They knew what I was talking about, but no idea about what VZW's plans are for it.
yea... so keep in mind that vzw and set(vzb(former mci/uunet) / vzt (the phone company that owns the copper AND also deployed FIOS)) are very, very different things. I think inside vzb/vzt there's some oddness in their planning process for v6, it's completely divorced from the vzw planning. If you want answers about your vzw mifi/phone/tablet you can only ask vzw kiosk/etc people :(
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
good times!! mobile carriers live in what seems like a very different world from the one the rest of the internet lives in :(
Tell me about it. I would settle for a stable IPv4 address (dynamic is fine, but a "lease" time of something closer to an hour, rather than 2 minutes)
maybe they already did the CGN thing to their network, lots and lots of single IP sharing by port number! look, it's the future! -chris
-Randy
Randy Carpenter wrote:
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
The proper way to have a static IP address is not to pay mobile operators but to run mobile IP or something like that on your terminal. You can run your home agent at your home or office. Masataka Ohta
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
Randy Carpenter wrote:
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
The proper way to have a static IP address is not to pay mobile operators but to run mobile IP or something like that on your terminal.
You can run your home agent at your home or office.
that seems super scalable and easy for 'people' to do ...
Christopher Morrow wrote:
It certainly does not work on the iPad "3" in Ohio. Not only that, but I can't even pay them to give me a stable IPv4 address, because if you get a static IP, it disables the hotspot functionality. Head-->Wall.
The proper way to have a static IP address is not to pay mobile operators but to run mobile IP or something like that on your terminal.
You can run your home agent at your home or office.
that seems super scalable and easy for 'people' to do ...
For people of NANOG, certainly. Or, there can be commercial home agent service providers, which may not be identical to your mobile operator, which is something like MVNO over the Internet. For NAT penetration, mobile tunneling of IP over TCP/UDP is necessary. An IPv4 home address may be shared by many mobile terminals distinguished by port numbers, which is why IPv6 is not necessary. Masataka Ohta
On Sat, 26 May 2012 06:44:58 +0900, Masataka Ohta said:
An IPv4 home address may be shared by many mobile terminals distinguished by port numbers, which is why IPv6 is not necessary.
An IPv4 address can also be shared by many mobile terminals distinguished by AOL userids. How did that work out?
valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
An IPv4 home address may be shared by many mobile terminals distinguished by port numbers, which is why IPv6 is not necessary.
An IPv4 address can also be shared by many mobile terminals distinguished by AOL userids. How did that work out?
The point is that all the transport layer protocol have port numbers. So, if you have a stable IP address and, say, 256 stable port numbers, your mobile device running applications as a server, can be reached by the port number, distinguished from other mobile devices sharing the IP address. Such a service might cost $10 a month or Gree might offer it free of charge. Masataka Ohta
On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:25:35 +0900, Masataka Ohta said:
The proper way to have a static IP address is not to pay mobile operators but to run mobile IP or something like that on your terminal.
You can run your home agent at your home or office.
And the 80% of the world's population that can afford exactly one device which happens to be mobile, does, what, exactly?
On 5/25/12 07:35 , valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:25:35 +0900, Masataka Ohta said:
The proper way to have a static IP address is not to pay mobile operators but to run mobile IP or something like that on your terminal.
You can run your home agent at your home or office.
And the 80% of the world's population that can afford exactly one device which happens to be mobile, does, what, exactly?
the utlitiy of a static ip is probably lost on someone with only a mobile phone...
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 5/25/12 07:35 , valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
And the 80% of the world's population that can afford exactly one device which happens to be mobile, does, what, exactly?
the utlitiy of a static ip is probably lost on someone with only a mobile phone...
END-2-END!!!
I wouldn't be so picky to have an static IP address in my phone, bur for sure I want a global IPvx one. -as On 25 May 2012, at 15:00, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 5/25/12 07:35 , valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
And the 80% of the world's population that can afford exactly one device which happens to be mobile, does, what, exactly?
the utlitiy of a static ip is probably lost on someone with only a mobile phone...
END-2-END!!!
On 26 May 2012, at 08:33, Matt Ryanczak wrote:
On 5/25/12 2:35 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
I wouldn't be so picky to have an static IP address in my phone, bur for sure I want a global IPvx one.
but would you want that dynamic IP address behind layers of NAT, ALG, etc. or open and accessible?
Not at all. I want to be free. -as
From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com] On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also
do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
wierd, I could swear someone in my office with a galaxy-nexus-on-vzw was able to browse some ipv6-only sites.
My Moto Droid RAZR is most definitely IPv6 over LTE. Jamie
Here's a screenshot from 15 months ago: http://www.fix6.net/archives/2011/02/21/ipv6-live-on-verizons-lte-network/ Frank -----Original Message----- From: Randy Carpenter [mailto:rcarpen@network1.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:07 PM To: PC Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address. thanks, -Randy ----- Original Message -----
IPV6 is present, to my knowledge, on all devices on the Verizon IPV6 LTE network. I noticed its using it to communicate to Google for many of it's services when I ran a netstat. I believe they mandated support for it from any certified device.
Unfortunately, it's still firewalled.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
From a few minutes ago... On May 23, 2012 2:58 PM, "Frank Bulk - iName.com" <frnkblk@iname.com> wrote:
Here's a screenshot from 15 months ago: http://www.fix6.net/archives/2011/02/21/ipv6-live-on-verizons-lte-network/
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Randy Carpenter [mailto:rcarpen@network1.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:07 PM To: PC Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
thanks, -Randy
----- Original Message -----
IPV6 is present, to my knowledge, on all devices on the Verizon IPV6 LTE network. I noticed its using it to communicate to Google for many of it's services when I ran a netstat. I believe they mandated support for it from any certified device.
Unfortunately, it's still firewalled.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
Looks like some devices have it enabled, and some do not. Does anyone have hotspot enabled? I am curious as to if IPv6 is being done via the hotspot, and how they are handling the prefix delegation. thanks, -Randy ----- Original Message -----
From a few minutes ago... On May 23, 2012 2:58 PM, "Frank Bulk - iName.com" < frnkblk@iname.com
wrote:
Here's a screenshot from 15 months ago: http://www.fix6.net/archives/2011/02/21/ipv6-live-on-verizons-lte-network/
Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Randy Carpenter [mailto: rcarpen@network1.net ] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:07 PM To: PC Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers
Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP address every couple minutes. The only way to get a stable connection is to pay them $500 to get a static public IP address.
thanks, -Randy
----- Original Message -----
IPV6 is present, to my knowledge, on all devices on the Verizon IPV6 LTE network. I noticed its using it to communicate to Google for many of it's services when I ran a netstat. I believe they mandated support for it from any certified device.
Unfortunately, it's still firewalled.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Paul Graydon < paul@paulgraydon.co.uk > wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"< paul.porter@gree.co.jp > wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
Looks like some devices have it enabled, and some do not.
Does anyone have hotspot enabled? I am curious as to if IPv6 is being done via the hotspot, and how they are handling the prefix delegation.
On T-Mobile, this code works for IPv6 + IPv4 HotSpot / WiFi tethering on the Nexus S http://dan.drown.org/android/clat/ Galaxy Nexus S ROM of the same function here https://groups.google.com/group/tmoipv6beta/browse_thread/thread/ba8aac80637... Mainline Android does not yet have an IPv6 tethering feature, but the code has been pushed upstream to Android for review https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/34490/ Cameron
On 05/22/2012 01:40 PM, Paul Graydon wrote:
On 05/22/2012 01:21 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On May 22, 2012 4:00 PM, "Paul Porter"<paul.porter@gree.co.jp> wrote:
Hi NANOG,
I'm looking for some information on the four largest US mobile phone carriers and the current state of their IPv6 infrastructure. Specifically, we are trying to figure out:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now? Hi,
T-Mobile USA has native ipv6 to all subscribers in all of it's coverage area. But, less than 1% of subscribers use IPv6 because they do not have an IPv6 capable phone. The Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus work well.
This device challenge will improve in time. Samsung is doing a good job of bringing IPv6 to Android devices. More info here That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Paul
Cameron contacted me off list and pointed out the steps. Works a treat, NAT64 is handling the IPv4 traffic without any obvious problems, along with IPv6. Smooth and simple. Shame it has to be switched on through some manual steps, but I guess that's understandable for now given it's technically in Beta stage. Paul
Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> writes:
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Same here. IPv6 works fine over my wifi, but doesn't work at all over tmobile. If I play with the cell settings to allow ipv4/ipv6 in APN then all communication stops. TMO might need to go back to those drawing boards. I don't see ipv6 working at all over their network. -wolfgang -- g+: https://plus.google.com/114566345864337108516/about
On May 22, 2012 6:50 PM, "Wolfgang S. Rupprecht" < wolfgang.rupprecht@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul Graydon <paul@paulgraydon.co.uk> writes:
That's interesting. I have a Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile USA and it doesn't get an IPv6 address, only IPv4. Works fine with IPv6 over my wireless network at home. Doesn't seem to be anything obvious in the settings to enable or disable that.
Same here. IPv6 works fine over my wifi, but doesn't work at all over tmobile.
If I play with the cell settings to allow ipv4/ipv6 in APN then all communication stops. TMO might need to go back to those drawing boards. I don't see ipv6 working at all over their network.
Please read and follow the instructions here on how to setup https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch Feel free to ping me off-list if you see any issues.
From what you wrote, my guess is you are using a phone that does not have IPv6 support (only Nexus phones have support today... Other phones do not have the correct radio / RIL capabilities)
CB
-wolfgang -- g+: https://plus.google.com/114566345864337108516/about
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 04:00:21PM -0700, Paul Porter wrote:
1. How much of the carrier core and edge for AT&T, Verizon. T-Mobile, and Sprint are on IPv6 now?
http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2010-February/018940.html Still doesn't work. Gave up doing solicitations for native addressing. -- . ___ ___ . . ___ . \ / |\ |\ \ . _\_ /__ |-\ |-\ \__
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