/. ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/12/05/0115214/itu-approves-deep-packet-insp... ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday December 04, @08:19PM from the inspect-my-encryption-all-you'd-like dept. dsinc sends this quote from Techdirt about the International Telecommunications Union's ongoing conference in Dubai that will have an effect on the internet everywhere: "One of the concerns is that decisions taken there may make the Internet less a medium that can be used to enhance personal freedom than a tool for state surveillance and oppression. The new Y.2770 standard is entitled 'Requirements for deep packet inspection in Next Generation Networks', and seeks to define an international standard for deep packet inspection (DPI). As the Center for Democracy & Technology points out, it is thoroughgoing in its desire to specify technologies that can be used to spy on people. One of the big issues surrounding WCIT and the ITU has been the lack of transparency — or even understanding what real transparency might be. So it will comes as no surprise that the new DPI standard was negotiated behind closed doors, with no drafts being made available."
I'm seriously not clear why Y.2770 is characterized as "negotiated behind closed doors". Any drafts were available to all participants in the ITU-T, on exactly the same terms as drafts of other Recommendations. As an example, the draft coming out of the October, 2011 meeting can be seen at http://www.itu.int/md/T09-SG13-111010-TD-WP4-0201/en. (I have access delegated by a vendor to whom I have been consulting, by virtue of their membership in the ITU-T.) I should mention that the "Next Generation Network" within the context of which this draft was developed is more likely to be implemented by old-line operators than by pure internet operations. Tom Taylor On 05/12/2012 4:34 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/12/05/0115214/itu-approves-deep-packet-insp...
ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection
Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday December 04, @08:19PM
from the inspect-my-encryption-all-you'd-like dept.
dsinc sends this quote from Techdirt about the International Telecommunications Union's ongoing conference in Dubai that will have an effect on the internet everywhere: "One of the concerns is that decisions taken there may make the Internet less a medium that can be used to enhance personal freedom than a tool for state surveillance and oppression. The new Y.2770 standard is entitled 'Requirements for deep packet inspection in Next Generation Networks', and seeks to define an international standard for deep packet inspection (DPI). As the Center for Democracy & Technology points out, it is thoroughgoing in its desire to specify technologies that can be used to spy on people. One of the big issues surrounding WCIT and the ITU has been the lack of transparency — or even understanding what real transparency might be. So it will comes as no surprise that the new DPI standard was negotiated behind closed doors, with no drafts being made available."
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm seriously not clear why Y.2770 is characterized as "negotiated behind closed doors". Any drafts were available to all participants in the ITU-T, on exactly the same terms as drafts of other Recommendations. As an example, the draft coming out of the October, 2011 meeting can be seen at http://www.itu.int/md/T09-SG13-111010-TD-WP4-0201/en. (I have access delegated by a vendor to whom I have been consulting, by virtue of their membership in the ITU-T.)
I suspect people mean that trying to download anything off that broken itu website gets you a page with: "If you have a TIES account, please login:" not the document you wish to download... as compared to the other (one other) 'internet standards body' website full of 'draft/proposed/finalized' standards and discussions there-of: <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/behave/> which links to the: o open discussion mailing list(s) o open meeting minutes o current drafts and finalized standards o charter and etc... open not 'open*' as the itu site is...
I should mention that the "Next Generation Network" within the context of which this draft was developed is more likely to be implemented by old-line operators than by pure internet operations.
hurray?
Tom Taylor
On 05/12/2012 4:34 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/12/05/0115214/itu-approves-deep-packet-insp...
ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection
Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday December 04, @08:19PM
from the inspect-my-encryption-all-you'd-like dept.
dsinc sends this quote from Techdirt about the International Telecommunications Union's ongoing conference in Dubai that will have an effect on the internet everywhere: "One of the concerns is that decisions taken there may make the Internet less a medium that can be used to enhance personal freedom than a tool for state surveillance and oppression. The new Y.2770 standard is entitled 'Requirements for deep packet inspection in Next Generation Networks', and seeks to define an international standard for deep packet inspection (DPI). As the Center for Democracy & Technology points out, it is thoroughgoing in its desire to specify technologies that can be used to spy on people. One of the big issues surrounding WCIT and the ITU has been the lack of transparency — or even understanding what real transparency might be. So it will comes as no surprise that the new DPI standard was negotiated behind closed doors, with no drafts being made available."
Perhaps because you are addressing to a bunch of Internet engineers that (we) are used to create standards in open forums where everybody have a say. For the new Internet world "available to all participants in the ITU-T, on exactly the same terms as drafts of other Recommendations" is not longer valid. Regards, as On 05/12/2012 17:01, Tom Taylor wrote:
I'm seriously not clear why Y.2770 is characterized as "negotiated behind closed doors". Any drafts were available to all participants in the ITU-T, on exactly the same terms as drafts of other Recommendations. As an example, the draft coming out of the October, 2011 meeting can be seen at http://www.itu.int/md/T09-SG13-111010-TD-WP4-0201/en. (I have access delegated by a vendor to whom I have been consulting, by virtue of their membership in the ITU-T.)
I should mention that the "Next Generation Network" within the context of which this draft was developed is more likely to be implemented by old-line operators than by pure internet operations.
Tom Taylor
On 05/12/2012 4:34 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/12/05/0115214/itu-approves-deep-packet-insp...
ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection
Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday December 04, @08:19PM
from the inspect-my-encryption-all-you'd-like dept.
dsinc sends this quote from Techdirt about the International Telecommunications Union's ongoing conference in Dubai that will have an effect on the internet everywhere: "One of the concerns is that decisions taken there may make the Internet less a medium that can be used to enhance personal freedom than a tool for state surveillance and oppression. The new Y.2770 standard is entitled 'Requirements for deep packet inspection in Next Generation Networks', and seeks to define an international standard for deep packet inspection (DPI). As the Center for Democracy & Technology points out, it is thoroughgoing in its desire to specify technologies that can be used to spy on people. One of the big issues surrounding WCIT and the ITU has been the lack of transparency — or even understanding what real transparency might be. So it will comes as no surprise that the new DPI standard was negotiated behind closed doors, with no drafts being made available."
On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm seriously not clear why Y.2770 is characterized as "negotiated behind closed doors". Any drafts were available to all participants in the ITU-T, on exactly the same terms as drafts of other Recommendations. As an example, the draft coming out of the October, 2011 meeting can be seen at http://www.itu.int/md/T09-SG13-111010-TD-WP4-0201/en. (I have access delegated by a vendor to whom I have been consulting, by virtue of their membership in the ITU-T.)
Correct… All ITU Drafts and Recommendations are developed behind closed doors. (If something is developed in a process which is not open to non-members, then, it is by definition developed behind closed doors. Why is this difficult to understand?)
I should mention that the "Next Generation Network" within the context of which this draft was developed is more likely to be implemented by old-line operators than by pure internet operations.
You say that as if we're supposed to think it is a good thing. To many of us, it is one of the many reasons we're not so thrilled by ITUs sudden interest in exercising greater authority over internet operations. Owen
So is it recommended now to go over all the NGN core routers and restore them to default with: no lawful-intercept disable cmd? :) adam
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