Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. ________________________________ From: NANOG on behalf of Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:54 PM To: David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election If you thought IPv4+ was entertaining, check out his "solution" to packet spoofing: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht... And SPAM: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht... These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there). Ref: [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_E... -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too… From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Viol... They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". ---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. ---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" ---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition. That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example: - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com) Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project": "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others. Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others. Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written: "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report." But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof. Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list". Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" "Democracy dies in darkness." When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected: IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.ht... Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht... Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht... They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE. My full agenda can be read here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bio... Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge. In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-a... I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO. Regards, rfg P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it. I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else. P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits. I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago: "Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
"At the source BGP router, for any ip packet with a source address that is from the network of the source BGP router (lets call it original ip packet) - the source BGP router will create a new ip packet " How long have you been around Elad? I expect such ideas from a junior network engineer. It's part of the learning process. For example, in this case it's dysfunctional for an intermediate router that may be on one of several equal-cost paths to hold packets awaiting their companions. Even if you found a way to embed the information in the base packet, backbone-level routers simply don't have the capacity to do complex security evaluations (e.g. encryption) on individual packets. The cost of changing that would be phenomenal. Regards, Bill Herrin
And SPAM:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :)
This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there).
Ref:
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_E...
-- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too…
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Hello Everyone,
My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself.
What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain.
I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them).
"The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation:
https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Viol...
They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly.
---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" ---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn).
The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition.
That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example:
- Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com)
Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project":
"Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others.
Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others.
Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written:
"It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report."
But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof.
Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list".
Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" "Democracy dies in darkness."
When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected:
IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.ht...
Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE.
My full agenda can be read here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bio...
Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide.
Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE.
Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats.
I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.)
Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge.
In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-a...
I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO.
Regards, rfg
P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it.
I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else.
P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits.
I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago:
"Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon
-- William Herrin bill@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
I don't have the experience that you have in routing equipment internals. Regarding the performance issue in routers of complex security evaluations - maybe the following alternative will be fine: The "source BGP router" will add the ASN of it (in clear text) to the end of ip packet data field (after two null bytes), the total length and checksum fields in the ip header will be recalculated. Any next BGP router will check the last bits of the ip packet data which are after the last two null bytes for any ip packet - then if that part (from the two null bytes to the end) doesn't contain a null byte in it then these bytes are representing the first ASN, the BGP router will check that it peers with the specific ASN, if not the ip packet will be dropped. If yes - at the end of the ip packet data field a null byte will be added by the BGP router with the ASN (in cleartext) of that second BGP router, then the third BGP router (and so on) will check last ASN in the ip packet data (after the null byte) - if it peers with it - and if yes will replace that ASN with the current BGP router ASN and so on (so the end of the ip packet data field will include: two null bytes, the "source BGP router" ASN, a null byte, and then the ASN of the last BGP router), when the ip packet will reach to the "destination BGP router", the "destination BGP router" will check if the source address is announced through the first ASN (which is at listed at the ip packet data field) within a local table that it will have, and if yes then the part in the ip packet data field after the last two null bytes will be removed and the ip packet will be forwarded to the destination ip address. ________________________________ From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:59 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
"At the source BGP router, for any ip packet with a source address that is from the network of the source BGP router (lets call it original ip packet) - the source BGP router will create a new ip packet " How long have you been around Elad? I expect such ideas from a junior network engineer. It's part of the learning process. For example, in this case it's dysfunctional for an intermediate router that may be on one of several equal-cost paths to hold packets awaiting their companions. Even if you found a way to embed the information in the base packet, backbone-level routers simply don't have the capacity to do complex security evaluations (e.g. encryption) on individual packets. The cost of changing that would be phenomenal. Regards, Bill Herrin
And SPAM:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :)
This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there).
Ref:
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_E...
-- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too…
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Hello Everyone,
My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself.
What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain.
I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them).
"The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation:
https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Viol...
They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly.
---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" ---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn).
The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition.
That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example:
- Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com)
Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project":
"Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others.
Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others.
Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written:
"It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report."
But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof.
Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list".
Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" "Democracy dies in darkness."
When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected:
IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.ht...
Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE.
My full agenda can be read here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bio...
Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide.
Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE.
Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats.
I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.)
Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge.
In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-a...
I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO.
Regards, rfg
P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it.
I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else.
P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits.
I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago:
"Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon
-- William Herrin bill@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
How do you solve for all the devices that don't have vendor support and will no longer be able to operate? Or are you suggesting we run a third Internet ( IPv4, IPv4+ and IPv6) further segregating the things that can communicate on the Internet. On Wed, May 13, 2020, 6:48 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
I don't have the experience that you have in routing equipment internals.
Regarding the performance issue in routers of complex security evaluations - maybe the following alternative will be fine:
The "source BGP router" will add the ASN of it (in clear text) to the end of ip packet data field (after two null bytes), the total length and checksum fields in the ip header will be recalculated.
Any next BGP router will check the last bits of the ip packet data which are after the last two null bytes for any ip packet - then if that part (from the two null bytes to the end) doesn't contain a null byte in it then these bytes are representing the first ASN, the BGP router will check that it peers with the specific ASN, if not the ip packet will be dropped. If yes - at the end of the ip packet data field a null byte will be added by the BGP router with the ASN (in cleartext) of that second BGP router, then the third BGP router (and so on) will check last ASN in the ip packet data (after the null byte) - if it peers with it - and if yes will replace that ASN with the current BGP router ASN and so on (so the end of the ip packet data field will include: two null bytes, the "source BGP router" ASN, a null byte, and then the ASN of the last BGP router), when the ip packet will reach to the "destination BGP router", the "destination BGP router" will check if the source address is announced through the first ASN (which is at listed at the ip packet data field) within a local table that it will have, and if yes then the part in the ip packet data field after the last two null bytes will be removed and the ip packet will be forwarded to the destination ip address.
------------------------------ *From:* William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:59 PM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts.
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
"At the source BGP router, for any ip packet with a source address that is from the network of the source BGP router (lets call it original ip packet) - the source BGP router will create a new ip packet "
How long have you been around Elad? I expect such ideas from a junior network engineer. It's part of the learning process.
For example, in this case it's dysfunctional for an intermediate router that may be on one of several equal-cost paths to hold packets awaiting their companions. Even if you found a way to embed the information in the base packet, backbone-level routers simply don't have the capacity to do complex security evaluations (e.g. encryption) on individual packets. The cost of changing that would be phenomenal.
Regards, Bill Herrin
And SPAM:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :)
This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to
gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there).
Ref:
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
[2]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_E...
-- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t
have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too…
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com>, "nanog@nanog.org" < nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Hello Everyone,
My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself.
What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain.
I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them).
"The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to
elad@netstyle.io> their own words in their own following presentation:
https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Viol...
They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount
of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous
organization "The Spamhaus Project".
---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their
internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly.
---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell,
---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in
https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare
trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" the following two links, by people which are not related to me: literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn).
The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald
Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition.
That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of
"The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example:
- Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The
- Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com)
Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project":
"Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas ( https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others.
Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others.
Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written:
"It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report."
But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof.
Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then
Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. please stop spamming the mailing list".
Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally,
to the exclusion of all else"
"Democracy dies in darkness."
When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected:
IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ )
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.ht...
Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and
automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project")
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed
ip traffic with is a source for criminality:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any
other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE.
My full agenda can be read here:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bio...
Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will
be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide.
Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <
rfg@tristatelogic.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE.
Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats.
I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.)
Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge.
In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-a...
I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO.
Regards, rfg
P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is
elsewhere,
persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it.
I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else.
P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits.
I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago:
"Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon
-- William Herrin bill@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
Only active BGP routers will need to be updated, EOL active BGP routers can be reversed engineered and patched if they are popular enough (for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them) ________________________________ From: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:59 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election How do you solve for all the devices that don't have vendor support and will no longer be able to operate? Or are you suggesting we run a third Internet ( IPv4, IPv4+ and IPv6) further segregating the things that can communicate on the Internet. On Wed, May 13, 2020, 6:48 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: I don't have the experience that you have in routing equipment internals. Regarding the performance issue in routers of complex security evaluations - maybe the following alternative will be fine: The "source BGP router" will add the ASN of it (in clear text) to the end of ip packet data field (after two null bytes), the total length and checksum fields in the ip header will be recalculated. Any next BGP router will check the last bits of the ip packet data which are after the last two null bytes for any ip packet - then if that part (from the two null bytes to the end) doesn't contain a null byte in it then these bytes are representing the first ASN, the BGP router will check that it peers with the specific ASN, if not the ip packet will be dropped. If yes - at the end of the ip packet data field a null byte will be added by the BGP router with the ASN (in cleartext) of that second BGP router, then the third BGP router (and so on) will check last ASN in the ip packet data (after the null byte) - if it peers with it - and if yes will replace that ASN with the current BGP router ASN and so on (so the end of the ip packet data field will include: two null bytes, the "source BGP router" ASN, a null byte, and then the ASN of the last BGP router), when the ip packet will reach to the "destination BGP router", the "destination BGP router" will check if the source address is announced through the first ASN (which is at listed at the ip packet data field) within a local table that it will have, and if yes then the part in the ip packet data field after the last two null bytes will be removed and the ip packet will be forwarded to the destination ip address. ________________________________ From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us<mailto:bill@herrin.us>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:59 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote:
Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
"At the source BGP router, for any ip packet with a source address that is from the network of the source BGP router (lets call it original ip packet) - the source BGP router will create a new ip packet " How long have you been around Elad? I expect such ideas from a junior network engineer. It's part of the learning process. For example, in this case it's dysfunctional for an intermediate router that may be on one of several equal-cost paths to hold packets awaiting their companions. Even if you found a way to embed the information in the base packet, backbone-level routers simply don't have the capacity to do complex security evaluations (e.g. encryption) on individual packets. The cost of changing that would be phenomenal. Regards, Bill Herrin
And SPAM:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :)
This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there).
Ref:
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_E...
-- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com<mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too…
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com<mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com>>, "nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>" <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Hello Everyone,
My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself.
What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain.
I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them).
"The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation:
https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Viol...
They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16<http://165.25.0.0/16> block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly.
---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" ---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn).
The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition.
That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example:
- Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com)
Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project":
"Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others.
Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others.
Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written:
"It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report."
But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof.
Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list".
Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" "Democracy dies in darkness."
When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected:
IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.ht...
Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.ht...
Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.ht...
They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE.
My full agenda can be read here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bio...
Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide.
Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com<mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE.
Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats.
I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16<http://165.25.0.0/16> block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.)
Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge.
In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-a...
I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO.
Regards, rfg
P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it.
I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else.
P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits.
I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago:
"Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon
-- William Herrin bill@herrin.us<mailto:bill@herrin.us> https://bill.herrin.us/
Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where? Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this. What engineering experience do you have? -- Töma
A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where? Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this. What engineering experience do you have? -- Töma
You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed [..]
Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. I think, dixi. -- Töma
Can this slap fight go somewhere besides this list? ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:34 PM To: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed [..]
Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. I think, dixi. -- Töma
I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. Just a thought. Owen
On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Peace,
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed [..]
Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it.
I think, dixi.
-- Töma
Me: "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." Toma:
A degree in economics is not needed [..] "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it."
You: "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. ________________________________ From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>; Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. Just a thought. Owen On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote: You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed [..]
Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. I think, dixi. -- Töma
[snip]
Owen DeLong: "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds"
You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>; Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes.
Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred.
Just a thought.
Owen
[snip] This is at least the third time you’ve called me an imbecile on this list, though the first time you’ve spelled it correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile> Since I don’t meet any of the technical or scientific definitions previously used for the term, I can only assume that you intend it in its vernacular meaning as a derogatory remark which amounts to ad hominem attacks prohibited by list policy. Unless it is your goal to be moderated and/or removed from the list, I suggest you stick to arguing the merits (or rather lack thereof) of your position and cease the ad hominem attacks. Owen
In general, such a statement, although misleading, is not wrong. However, having the knowledge ordinarily associated with such a degree definitely helps a lot with the understanding you need to comprehend the matters the degree would cover. On Thu, 14 May 2020 02:17:37 +0300 Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> wrote:
Peace,
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed [..]
Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it.
I think, dixi.
-- Töma
-- Large Hadron Collider <large.hadron.collider@gmx.com>
What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks? Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long. Sent from my iPad
On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Peace,
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where?
Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this.
What engineering experience do you have?
-- Töma
NANOG Staff member that is granted the privilege of reading the list and ensuring all folks adhere to the Usage Guidelines <https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/> of the list here… Please note this thread is off topic from the subject line. If people on the list would like to continue a discussion about IPv4, IPv4+ and IPv6, please do so under a new thread and ensure you follow Usage Guidelines. Thank you. Valerie Valerie Wittkop - NANOG Program Director 305 E. Eisenhower Pkwy, Suite 100, Ann Arbor, MI 48108 Tel: +1 866 902 1336, ext 103
On May 13, 2020, at 7:40 PM, Brielle <bruns@2mbit.com> wrote:
What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks?
Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time.
You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long.
Sent from my iPad
On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Peace,
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where?
Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this.
What engineering experience do you have?
-- Töma
At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+, when they can receive them for free with IPv4+. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Brielle <bruns@2mbit.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks? Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long. Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote: A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where? Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this. What engineering experience do you have? -- Töma
That statement makes no sense. Everyone also get free IPv6 and almost everyone have equipment that can do IPv6. All anyone has to do is configure his free IPv6. tor. 14. maj 2020 01.56 skrev Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>:
At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+, when they can receive them for free with IPv4+. ------------------------------ *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Brielle < bruns@2mbit.com> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM *To:* NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks?
Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time.
You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long.
Sent from my iPad
On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. ------------------------------ *From:* Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> *Cc:* Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Peace,
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where?
Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this.
What engineering experience do you have?
-- Töma
The public will decide. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election That statement makes no sense. Everyone also get free IPv6 and almost everyone have equipment that can do IPv6. All anyone has to do is configure his free IPv6. tor. 14. maj 2020 01.56 skrev Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>: At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+, when they can receive them for free with IPv4+. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> on behalf of Brielle <bruns@2mbit.com<mailto:bruns@2mbit.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks? Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long. Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com<mailto:ximaera@gmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com<mailto:shane@ronan-online.com>>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where? Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this. What engineering experience do you have? -- Töma
You just reminded me to vote. Thanks! On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 12:32, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
The public will decide. ------------------------------ *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Baldur Norddahl < baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:25 AM *To:* nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
That statement makes no sense. Everyone also get free IPv6 and almost everyone have equipment that can do IPv6. All anyone has to do is configure his free IPv6.
tor. 14. maj 2020 01.56 skrev Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>:
At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+, when they can receive them for free with IPv4+. ------------------------------ *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Brielle < bruns@2mbit.com> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM *To:* NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks?
Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time.
You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long.
Sent from my iPad
On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. ------------------------------ *From:* Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> *Cc:* Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Peace,
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
[..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them)
What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where?
Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this.
What engineering experience do you have?
-- Töma
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Baldur Norddahl -
Brielle -
Dave Bell -
Elad Cohen -
Large Hadron Collider -
Owen DeLong -
Pennington, Scott -
Shane Ronan -
Töma Gavrichenkov -
Valerie Wittkop -
William Herrin