Re: Residential CPE suggestions
--- gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net> wrote:
Any recommendation for a residential CPE that supports dual SFP uplinks <snip>
Have you looked at the EdgeRouter Pro? 2 SFP links, routing capability. http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax ----------------------------------------------- It looks like everyone here should start looking for a new career: "Next-generation user experience allows anyone to quickly become a routing expert." ;-) scott
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote: I wouldn't worry. A fancy GUI without intelligent engineering and design leveraged is just more rope for everyone to hang themselves with, esp. when something in the GUI inevitably doesn't work quite like it's supposed to. Network vendor GUIs never work 100% like they are supposed to; there's always eventually some bug or another, or limitation requiring some workaround. And IPv6 is a game-changer.
It looks like everyone here should start looking for a new career: "Next-generation user experience allows anyone to quickly become a routing expert."
;-) scott -- -JH
We’ve had two of the ER3s in production. One of which has had no problems to date, the other one had several issues just staying online. It would randomly drop out from time to time (no ICMP, didn't pass traffic; basically a flashing brick). These were both single homed stub networks on older firmware so your results may vary. In my past experience the Ubiquiti release cycle is: Announce Product --> (1 year later) --> Reannounce Product /Start Shipping --> (4 months later) --> Claim it's still on the boat and will reach distributors soon --> (2 months later) --> Begin shipping from Distribution with defunct firmware --> (8 months later and a few firmware updates) --> Release a stable firmware version TL;DR: Ubiquiti has good, inexpensive equipment but it might not always be ready for production networks or very patient customers. For what you’re looking for though no one else can match that price point. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy Hess Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:13 PM To: surfer@mauigateway.com Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Residential CPE suggestions On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote: I wouldn't worry. A fancy GUI without intelligent engineering and design leveraged is just more rope for everyone to hang themselves with, esp. when something in the GUI inevitably doesn't work quite like it's supposed to. Network vendor GUIs never work 100% like they are supposed to; there's always eventually some bug or another, or limitation requiring some workaround. And IPv6 is a game-changer.
It looks like everyone here should start looking for a new career: "Next-generation user experience allows anyone to quickly become a routing expert."
;-) scott -- -JH
On May 8, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Nolan Rollo <nrollo@kw-corp.com> wrote:
TL;DR: Ubiquiti has good, inexpensive equipment but it might not always be ready for production networks or very patient customers. For what you’re looking for though no one else can match that price point.
+1 If you have hardware in-hand and don't mind support via their 'free' forums. If you can reproduce any issues, they will promptly recreate it and fix it. You may end up waiting awhile for the software, but even $big_vendor has that issue. I'm using both the nanobridge/nanobeam hardware as well as edgerouter and unifi and they work quite well. - Jared
I still get email updates on the thread I created in mid 2013. In my experience their forum is a good excuse for not EVER answering the phone. And when I say ever.. I mean.. They don't even take sales calls. (the issue is still there.. By the way.) Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> Date: 05/08/2014 9:28 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Nolan Rollo <nrollo@kw-corp.com> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Residential CPE suggestions On May 8, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Nolan Rollo <nrollo@kw-corp.com> wrote:
TL;DR: Ubiquiti has good, inexpensive equipment but it might not always be ready for production networks or very patient customers. For what you’re looking for though no one else can match that price point.
+1 If you have hardware in-hand and don't mind support via their 'free' forums. If you can reproduce any issues, they will promptly recreate it and fix it. You may end up waiting awhile for the software, but even $big_vendor has that issue. I'm using both the nanobridge/nanobeam hardware as well as edgerouter and unifi and they work quite well. - Jared
I would love to see the EdgeRouter Lite, or something similar with 2 SFP ports and 2 1000bT ports (Which would fit with the OP's question). Q-in-Q tunneling and basic routing required, but not much else for me. Bonus points points for something like that with redundant power supplies for <$1k There really does not seem to be anything in that space that is viable and inexpensive. thanks, -Randy ----- Original Message -----
We’ve had two of the ER3s in production. One of which has had no problems to date, the other one had several issues just staying online. It would randomly drop out from time to time (no ICMP, didn't pass traffic; basically a flashing brick). These were both single homed stub networks on older firmware so your results may vary. In my past experience the Ubiquiti release cycle is:
Announce Product --> (1 year later) --> Reannounce Product /Start Shipping --> (4 months later) --> Claim it's still on the boat and will reach distributors soon --> (2 months later) --> Begin shipping from Distribution with defunct firmware --> (8 months later and a few firmware updates) --> Release a stable firmware version
TL;DR: Ubiquiti has good, inexpensive equipment but it might not always be ready for production networks or very patient customers. For what you’re looking for though no one else can match that price point.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy Hess Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:13 PM To: surfer@mauigateway.com Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Residential CPE suggestions
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
I wouldn't worry. A fancy GUI without intelligent engineering and design leveraged is just more rope for everyone to hang themselves with, esp. when something in the GUI inevitably doesn't work quite like it's supposed to.
Network vendor GUIs never work 100% like they are supposed to; there's always eventually some bug or another, or limitation requiring some workaround.
And IPv6 is a game-changer.
It looks like everyone here should start looking for a new career: "Next-generation user experience allows anyone to quickly become a routing expert."
;-) scott -- -JH
On 8 May 2014 17:30, Randy Carpenter <rcarpen@network1.net> wrote:
I would love to see the EdgeRouter Lite, or something similar with 2 SFP ports and 2 1000bT ports (Which would fit with the OP's question). Q-in-Q tunneling and basic routing required, but not much else for me. Bonus points points for something like that with redundant power supplies for <$1k
Indeed. Mikrotik are promising a CCR1009 with 2xSFP and 8xUTP GE ports (and dual PSU) for $425 but it isn't an access switch (so no Q-in-Q) though it does support MPLS/VPLS. Aled
On 9 May 2014 12:05, Aled Morris <aledm@qix.co.uk> wrote:
Indeed. Mikrotik are promising a CCR1009 with 2xSFP and 8xUTP GE ports (and dual PSU) for $425 but it isn't an access switch (so no Q-in-Q) though it does support MPLS/VPLS.
Apologies for correcting myself, but I just checked and Q-in-Q is supported in Mikrotik RouterOS, so this might be the ideal box for you (if it were orderable.) I forgot to include the link too - http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S Aled
On 9 May 2014 12:05, Aled Morris <aledm@qix.co.uk> wrote:
Indeed. Mikrotik are promising a CCR1009 with 2xSFP and 8xUTP GE ports (and dual PSU) for $425 but it isn't an access switch (so no Q-in-Q) though it does support MPLS/VPLS.
Apologies for correcting myself, but I just checked and Q-in-Q is supported in Mikrotik RouterOS, so this might be the ideal box for you (if it were orderable.)
I forgot to include the link too - http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S
Thanks to everyone who responded. The picture/spec on this page shows a single SFP, not dual. Hopefully they will come out with something that supports dual SFP. I am looking for something suitable for an active Ethernet fiber-to-X deployment. The Ubiquiti routers don't support dual SFP until you get to the PRO (too bad no Wifi, emailed them. :) Thanks, Deepak
Thanks to everyone who responded. The picture/spec on this page shows a single SFP, not dual. Hopefully they will come out with something that supports dual SFP.
I am looking for something suitable for an active Ethernet fiber-to-X deployment. The Ubiquiti routers don't support dual SFP until you get to the PRO (too bad no Wifi, emailed them. :)
Self-quoting here: CRS226-24G-2S from Mikrotik is using a new chipset, supposedly. I suspect that more vendors will be releasing configs like this if the silicon is becoming more prevalent. The thing has SFP+ ports (10G) which is cool, especially at the price point, but overkill. It has 24x gigabit ports which is definitely overkill, so ideally I can find a slimmer switch. :) List price under $300 looks like. This guy fits the bill (port config) more closely but also costs 3x more (faster cpu, more ram, etc). Neat stuff, either way. Deepak
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