Fwd: Residential VSAT experiences?
I had Hughes Net a few years back and can confirm that SSH access was pretty much intolerable for me. The delay between what I was typing, and when it would actually show up on the screen in the remote terminal was really annoying for me. As mentioned in previous responses, I think you would want a low orbit satellite internet provider, if you can find one for residential use. In my case, I had a land line, but was too far out for ADSL, so I ended up getting ISDN (*with unlimited local calling on my phone plan*). Of course the SSH usage experience then was much better. Al On 06/22/2015 04:04 PM, Hugo Slabbert wrote:> Personally, 500-700ms of delay is well within distinguishable range and
causes challenges in verbal communication. If the speakers are both expecting and accustomed to delay like that (e.g. sailors that are used to being hundreds/thousands of miles away from anywhere and any other comms solution sucks anyway), it could be workable.
For regular consumer/business voice applications, 100ms and lower is decent, but above that starts to get into various degrees of suckage.
Just my 2c.
-- Hugo
On Mon 2015-Jun-22 15:54:49 -0700, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
I never had good luck with VSAT and SIP. Maybe you had a better kit than I did :)
-Mike
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com> wrote:
Interesting that you say that about sip. We had a client that would use it for sip on ships all the time. It wasn't the best but it worked. Ping times were between 500-700ms.
Regards,
Dovid
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Sender: "NANOG" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org>Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:33:43 To: Nicholas Oas<nicholas.oas@gmail.com>; NANOG<nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
SIP will suck. VPN will suck. RDP will suck.
Have you looked to see if you have any local wireless ISPs in your area? Hit me up offlist if you want me to check for you.
-Mike
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Nicholas Oas <nicholas.oas@gmail.com> wrote:
Would anyone mind sharing with me their first-hand experiences with residential satellite internet?
Right now I am evaluating HughesNet Gen4 and ViaSat Exede and I'm thinking specifically as a sysadmin who needs to use the uplink for work, not surf.
What are your experiences with the following applications? -SSH, (specifically interactive CLI shell access) -RDP -SIP over SSL -IPSec Tunneling (should be a non-starter due to latency) -GRE Tunneling
Thank you,
-Nicholas
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
I don’t know what your location is but a wireless internet provider using Canopy or Ubiquity or whatever is much more preferable. Also cellular is used in “remote” locations with good results. I know plenty of people "in the bush” that use these alternatives over VSat. I use the above over VSat when I am out on fishing trips to remote locations. For truly remote where there is no options other than VSat <sigh> you need to live with the latency problems for now. Iridum is currently too slow and too costly. Maybe LEO or MEO in the future but not now. I have used SSH from a transatlantic flight but the delay can weigh on you ;-) Tom
On Jun 22, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Alfred Olton <alfredolton@gmail.com> wrote:
I had Hughes Net a few years back and can confirm that SSH access was pretty much intolerable for me. The delay between what I was typing, and when it would actually show up on the screen in the remote terminal was really annoying for me. As mentioned in previous responses, I think you would want a low orbit satellite internet provider, if you can find one for residential use.
In my case, I had a land line, but was too far out for ADSL, so I ended up getting ISDN (*with unlimited local calling on my phone plan*). Of course the SSH usage experience then was much better.
Al
On 06/22/2015 04:04 PM, Hugo Slabbert wrote:> Personally, 500-700ms of delay is well within distinguishable range and
causes challenges in verbal communication. If the speakers are both expecting and accustomed to delay like that (e.g. sailors that are used to being hundreds/thousands of miles away from anywhere and any other comms solution sucks anyway), it could be workable.
For regular consumer/business voice applications, 100ms and lower is decent, but above that starts to get into various degrees of suckage.
Just my 2c.
-- Hugo
On Mon 2015-Jun-22 15:54:49 -0700, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:
I never had good luck with VSAT and SIP. Maybe you had a better kit than I did :)
-Mike
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Dovid Bender <dovid@telecurve.com> wrote:
Interesting that you say that about sip. We had a client that would use it for sip on ships all the time. It wasn't the best but it worked. Ping times were between 500-700ms.
Regards,
Dovid
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> Sender: "NANOG" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org>Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:33:43 To: Nicholas Oas<nicholas.oas@gmail.com>; NANOG<nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
SIP will suck. VPN will suck. RDP will suck.
Have you looked to see if you have any local wireless ISPs in your area? Hit me up offlist if you want me to check for you.
-Mike
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Nicholas Oas <nicholas.oas@gmail.com> wrote:
Would anyone mind sharing with me their first-hand experiences with residential satellite internet?
Right now I am evaluating HughesNet Gen4 and ViaSat Exede and I'm thinking specifically as a sysadmin who needs to use the uplink for work, not surf.
What are your experiences with the following applications? -SSH, (specifically interactive CLI shell access) -RDP -SIP over SSL -IPSec Tunneling (should be a non-starter due to latency) -GRE Tunneling
Thank you,
-Nicholas
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
-- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.lyon@gmail.com
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 09:11:17PM -0400, TR Shaw wrote:
I don’t know what your location is but a wireless internet provider using Canopy or Ubiquity or whatever is much more preferable. Also cellular is used in “remote” locations with good results.
Using the UBNT gear if you can put together a link is really what you want to do. The equipment is cheap as in disposable and if you install it properly you should have almost no issues even with adverse weather. Even using something like the NSM5 back to back and constructing a multi-link path will end up producing nice results. Make sure you have clear line of sight and plan for any tree growth along the route. I've been using a WISP that has the UBNT gear for years now with no outages attributed to the equipment.
I have used SSH from a transatlantic flight but the delay can weigh on you ;-)
I did as well this last time on my way to europe and it worked better than I expected. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
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