Hello, I'm looking for a for a vendor that has XGS-PON/GPON ONT's with PoE ports (preferable 4). Adtran and Calix don't seem any model that has PoE. Zhone (DZS) has one but we don't like the CLI/config, to complex. Huawei also has PoE models but we prefer not to use them. Anybody knows any other bigger vendors that have PoE support? Best regards, Chiel
I think Nokia has a few ONT's with POE Thank you Travis Garrison -----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tgarrison=netviscom.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of chiel via NANOG Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 4:55 AM To: list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: XGS-PON/GPON vendor with PoE ONTs Hello, I'm looking for a for a vendor that has XGS-PON/GPON ONT's with PoE ports (preferable 4). Adtran and Calix don't seem any model that has PoE. Zhone (DZS) has one but we don't like the CLI/config, to complex. Huawei also has PoE models but we prefer not to use them. Anybody knows any other bigger vendors that have PoE support? Best regards, Chiel
Yes, Nokia has some ONTs with PoE, but are not really the requested size. I'm only aware about the U-090CP-P and the bigger U-00160CP-P, but they have 9 Ports or more... Not aware about any standard G- or XS- residential ONT with PoE.. I've never used the U series ONT, so no real life experience. As the ONT should all be using OMCI, any reason not using Zhone ONT with another OLT Vendor to avoid the CLI issue? Or are they that special and don't work with other OLT? Kind regards Karsten Am Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2024, 15:19:04 MESZ schrieb Travis Garrison:
I think Nokia has a few ONT's with POE
Thank you Travis Garrison
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tgarrison=netviscom.com@nanog.org> On Behalf Of chiel via NANOG Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 4:55 AM To: list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: XGS-PON/GPON vendor with PoE ONTs
Hello,
I'm looking for a for a vendor that has XGS-PON/GPON ONT's with PoE ports (preferable 4).
Adtran and Calix don't seem any model that has PoE.
Zhone (DZS) has one but we don't like the CLI/config, to complex.
Huawei also has PoE models but we prefer not to use them.
Anybody knows any other bigger vendors that have PoE support?
Best regards, Chiel
On 6/19/24 09:30, Karsten Thomann via NANOG wrote:
As the ONT should all be using OMCI, any reason not using Zhone ONT with another OLT Vendor to avoid the CLI issue? Or are they that special and don't work with other OLT?
I know with GPON, there are some nuances in the OMCI that cause frequent issues with interoperability between ONT and OLT vendors. I believe many of these were resolved with XGSPON, but you should consult your OLT vendor. At minimum, expect to potentially into a situation where you cannot bulk upgrade the ONT firmware from the OLT over the OMCI but instead have to do it with L3 connectivity to each ONT. -- Brandon Martin
Am Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2024, 17:35:04 MESZ schrieb Brandon Martin:
On 6/19/24 09:30, Karsten Thomann via NANOG wrote:
As the ONT should all be using OMCI, any reason not using Zhone ONT with another OLT Vendor to avoid the CLI issue? Or are they that special and don't work with other OLT?
I know with GPON, there are some nuances in the OMCI that cause frequent issues with interoperability between ONT and OLT vendors.
I believe many of these were resolved with XGSPON, but you should consult your OLT vendor. At minimum, expect to potentially into a situation where you cannot bulk upgrade the ONT firmware from the OLT over the OMCI but instead have to do it with L3 connectivity to each ONT.
Sure there were issues, but the OMCI specification got updates and BBF also tests ONTs https://www.broadband-forum.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/BBF.247-GPON-ONU-... That is a small list, but not every vendor will do it for every device, maybe RFP driven to get a BBF certification. If you get a current device I would just test it and wouldn't change the OLT vendor, if it works as expected. Kind regards Karsten
On 19/06/2024 16:35, Brandon Martin wrote:
I believe many of these were resolved with XGSPON, but you should consult your OLT vendor. At minimum, expect to potentially into a situation where you cannot bulk upgrade the ONT firmware from the OLT over the OMCI but instead have to do it with L3 connectivity to each ONT.
Nokia has a product that covers ONU interoperability, but I cannot vouch for it as we are only using Nokia ONT's. https://www.nokia.com/networks/fixed-networks/multivendor-onu-connect/ -- Chris Hills Best from brsk, @|from|name|@ @|from|title|@ E @|from|email|@ Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
Calix just announced this today. GPR4001XH XGS pon with 4 poe ports. One 10G three 1G. https://eng2e.seismic.com/i/SKeXK2oT6LIeLYiJ9M34v3KmSECpxeMqY6LBELSMD5NrHbPH... On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 9:31 AM Chris Hills <chris@brsk.co.uk> wrote:
On 19/06/2024 16:35, Brandon Martin wrote:
I believe many of these were resolved with XGSPON, but you should consult your OLT vendor. At minimum, expect to potentially into a situation where you cannot bulk upgrade the ONT firmware from the OLT over the OMCI but instead have to do it with L3 connectivity to each ONT.
Nokia has a product that covers ONU interoperability, but I cannot vouch for it as we are only using Nokia ONT's.
https://www.nokia.com/networks/fixed-networks/multivendor-onu-connect/
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Nokia you want the G6 XS-010XR-P line and the 230 enclosure UBNT also has XG and GPON PoE devices, you can dual power them from their USB + 24V passive - Their XGS unit does not do POE. I don’t recommend using the GPON SFP modules, the device they go in may not signal to you enough information of what is going on, and I’ve seen random issues with them locking up in the past which is rather unpleasant to say the least. All that said, having a vendor that integrates well in your environment without driving up your opex with per-unit fees is going to be important based on how you deploy. With 10g-20km bidi optics being so cheap I would almost say to just deploy something there instead it might work better. - Jared
On Jun 28, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Calix just announced this today. GPR4001XH XGS pon with 4 poe ports. One 10G three 1G.
https://eng2e.seismic.com/i/SKeXK2oT6LIeLYiJ9M34v3KmSECpxeMqY6LBELSMD5NrHbPH...
On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 9:31 AM Chris Hills <chris@brsk.co.uk> wrote: On 19/06/2024 16:35, Brandon Martin wrote:
I believe many of these were resolved with XGSPON, but you should consult your OLT vendor. At minimum, expect to potentially into a situation where you cannot bulk upgrade the ONT firmware from the OLT over the OMCI but instead have to do it with L3 connectivity to each ONT.
Nokia has a product that covers ONU interoperability, but I cannot vouch for it as we are only using Nokia ONT's.
https://www.nokia.com/networks/fixed-networks/multivendor-onu-connect/
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Calix GPR8802x is the only Calix XGSPON capable device that I know of with POE, but it's a full 1RU business oriented device and not really designed (or priced) for standard residential CPE. 380W total, up to 60W per port spread across 6x Gigabit ports, and 2x 2.5G ports Rest is a 10G WAN SFP+ (for XGSPON SFP), 10G LAN SFP+, and 8 POTS ports. On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 9:07 AM chiel via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking for a for a vendor that has XGS-PON/GPON ONT's with PoE ports (preferable 4).
Adtran and Calix don't seem any model that has PoE.
Zhone (DZS) has one but we don't like the CLI/config, to complex.
Huawei also has PoE models but we prefer not to use them.
Anybody knows any other bigger vendors that have PoE support?
Best regards, Chiel
You could try a GPON/XGSPON ONT SFP (SFU mode provisioning) in your favorite PoE switch/router. On 6/19/2024 5:55 AM, chiel via NANOG wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking for a for a vendor that has XGS-PON/GPON ONT's with PoE ports (preferable 4).
Adtran and Calix don't seem any model that has PoE.
Zhone (DZS) has one but we don't like the CLI/config, to complex.
Huawei also has PoE models but we prefer not to use them.
Anybody knows any other bigger vendors that have PoE support?
Best regards, Chiel
On 6/19/24 09:50, daveb wrote:
You could try a GPON/XGSPON ONT SFP (SFU mode provisioning) in your favorite PoE switch/router.
This is probably your best bet. I think basically everybody has a "ONT on a stick" in their catalog now for both XGSPON and GPON. Then provide your own switch that meets your needs for local ports. This may be annoying if you actually want to provision several services across multiple ports. Obviously you can probably do it (VLANs, etc.), but you'll have to provision the switch separately. I've done some similar things in the past where I pre-provisioned the switch with e.g. two ports per VLAN (reused on different switches) so I could just drop a service onto whatever VLAN of the UNI on the ONT that I wanted to. Usefully, this gets you options for not just PoE PSE demarcation but also PoE PD demarcation which can be very handy if you want to have the optical to electrical hand-off somewhere that there isn't (good) power. -- Brandon Martin
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