Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s... My new contact info for now is, dwightringdahl@yahoo.com, contact me off list if you have any questions. Thanks Dwight Ringdahl
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:10:58 EDT, Dwight Ringdahl <dwightringdahl@yahoo.com> said:
Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...
Lemme guess - not only do some places filter 69/8, they bogon-filter AS numbers over 32K as well? Or is there some other reason?
Nope strictly for marketing reasons... ASN has almost no place in BGP selection. -----Original Message----- From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:39 AM To: dwightringdahl@yahoo.com Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Low AS - Number On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:10:58 EDT, Dwight Ringdahl <dwightringdahl@yahoo.com> said:
Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...
Lemme guess - not only do some places filter 69/8, they bogon-filter AS numbers over 32K as well? Or is there some other reason?
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Dwight Ringdahl wrote:
Nope strictly for marketing reasons... ASN has almost no place in BGP selection.
Dang Geek Pride! (Still MH94 and 3901 after all these years..) It's worse than hanging around Ham radio guys with 4 digit call signs... .. Next we'll get into .. "I booted off of paper tape.." and then.. "I booted off of flip switches".. but I'm one of the few that have strung ferrites on a loom.. Martha.. get me my cane.. ------- And to get completely off topic.. Why/how would you use an ASN for marketing purposes? And should this even be considered.. except as a tongue in cheek geek thing?
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:10:34PM -0400, Mike (meuon) Harrison wrote:
------- And to get completely off topic.. Why/how would you use an ASN for marketing purposes? And should this even be considered.. except as a tongue in cheek geek thing?
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact, pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using 16631 instead of 174 or 4006. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact, pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using 16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
Aww. come on.. do they buy them because of a low ASN? Or because they are looking for a core of experienced people and some physical assets and customers worth acquiring and many of them just happen to have a low ASN.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:31:35PM -0400, Mike (meuon) Harrison wrote:
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact, pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using 16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
Aww. come on.. do they buy them because of a low ASN? Or because they are looking for a core of experienced people and some physical assets and customers worth acquiring and many of them just happen to have a low ASN.
Sometimes not, sometimes both. But if they didn't want the low ASN, it'd be a lot easier to go get a new one than to do all the paperwork for a transfer. It's an image thing, pure and simple. If people know you buy your ASN, why not make it a good one. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
--On Monday, April 21, 2003 12:37 -0400 Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> wrote:
Sometimes not, sometimes both. But if they didn't want the low ASN, it'd be a lot easier to go get a new one than to do all the paperwork for a transfer. It's an image thing, pure and simple. If people know you buy your ASN, why not make it a good one.
Not really. Consider the hassle associated with telling all of the peers of the network you've acquired to change their ASN. Alec -- Alec H. Peterson -- ahp@hilander.com Chief Technology Officer Catbird Networks, http://www.catbird.com
They typically buy them for the customer base - physical assets are cheap, these days, and can be obtained without the rest of the dross. Experienced people are similarly available, without having to buy an entire company. Silly as it is, low AS number has a geek chic sort of appeal to it. It may even have wider marketing opportunity - just because Genuity didnt properly leverage being AS1, doesn't mean that Level(3) won't. Of course, AS3 would have been better... There is also the theory that low AS number gives you some peering gravitas. Some reasonable sized networks that have peered with 5 digit AS's have raised eyebrows, but its impossible to know if it cost them any peering. - Daniel Golding On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Mike (meuon) Harrison wrote:
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact, pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using 16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
Aww. come on.. do they buy them because of a low ASN? Or because they are looking for a core of experienced people and some physical assets and customers worth acquiring and many of them just happen to have a low ASN.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:14:54PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:10:34PM -0400, Mike (meuon) Harrison wrote:
------- And to get completely off topic.. Why/how would you use an ASN for marketing purposes? And should this even be considered.. except as a tongue in cheek geek thing?
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact, pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using 16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
Hmm. Verio, Level(3) and others have much lower asns than they are using. Level(3) even has AS1 these days under their control but you don't see them rolling their network into that ASN and instead are decommisioning the AS1 network. the issues surrounding a low asn are entirely similar to states like delaware and others.. people will pay for a lower digit license plate. IMHO, if someone can justify the asn and someone else has a spare because of the economy and they want to pay some price in addition to the arin, ripe, (insert other rir here) transfer fees that's fine by me as long as whois has the correct data when we need to hunt them down for net.abuse. - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:14:54PM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:10:34PM -0400, Mike (meuon) Harrison wrote:
------- And to get completely off topic.. Why/how would you use an ASN for marketing purposes? And should this even be considered.. except as a tongue in cheek geek thing?
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact,
If that was the prime motiviation for picking an ASN, Verio would be AS93, or AS97, or AS114, or AS253, etc, etc.. not AS2914. -dorian
Maybe Cogent didn't WANT to be associated with AS 174 or 4006... :) -C
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact, pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using 16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
Another example is AT&T (7018) who purchased CerfNET (1740), and also have 2386 (and others) for private use. -David Barak --- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:10:34PM -0400, Mike (meuon) Harrison wrote:
------- And to get completely off topic.. Why/how
would you use
an ASN for marketing purposes? And should this even be considered.. except as a tongue in cheek geek thing?
Nonsense. One of the first things new/large companies do is buy someone with a low ASN and take it over. Look at QWest, Verio, etc. In fact, pretty much the only exception to this rule is Cogent, who is still using 16631 instead of 174 or 4006.
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:45:02AM -0700, David Barak wrote:
Another example is AT&T (7018) who purchased CerfNET (1740), and also have 2386 (and others) for private use.
Ok, ok, ok, I was trying to say NEW companies often go out and get low ASNs to further their image. Noone is going to go change ASNs on an established network just to move from a very well known 7xxx to a 1xxx. Also, any large network probably has a dozen or so ASNs sitting around gathering dust from various acquisitions and/or dumb plans by someone in management that never went anywhere. Using Verio as an example, we all know they had other legitimate reasons for buying up the smaller providers that they did, but they certainly didn't turn away the low ASNs in favor of a new 10xxx either. You don't need a vanity plate to drive your car, but people are still willing to spend money for them. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: [snip]
You don't need a vanity plate to drive your car, but people are still willing to spend money for them.
Here's the true geek test. Who has their AS number as their licence plate ?? AS109 is still available in California. :) -- Andrea Abrahamsen Software Engineer, Intelligent Network Services Cisco Systems
In Virginia, the Air & Space Museum supporters' license plates all start with "ASxxx" (wheere XXX is a 1-5 digita number). They usually have an SR-71 next to it, but more than once I have made conversions in my head based on the AS# I saw, the type of car and driving style and thought I would pull up next to someone I knew. :) DJ
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Andrea Abrahamsen Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 2:24 PM To: Richard A Steenbergen Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Low AS - Number
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
[snip]
You don't need a vanity plate to drive your car, but people are still willing to spend money for them.
Here's the true geek test. Who has their AS number as their licence plate ??
AS109 is still available in California. :)
--
Andrea Abrahamsen Software Engineer, Intelligent Network Services Cisco Systems
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:10 (UT), "Mike Harrison" <meuon@highertech.net> wrote: | .. Next we'll get into .. "I booted off of paper tape.." and then.. | "I booted off of flip switches".. Ouch! I remember doing that - on an Elliot 803 - back in 1966. The embarrassing part is that I still remember the codes I had to set! -- Richard Cox
Ouch! I remember doing that - on an Elliot 803 - back in 1966. The embarrassing part is that I still remember the codes I had to set!
heck.. I was booting a Data General Nova II on Flip Switches in 1984/5 And looming ferrites on a Dupont ACA Chemistry Analyzer around the same time.. not sure when they were made.. but 70's at least. At least you did it when they were new. 4 Sale: ISP with ASN 3901 - Just a few mil for the number, we'll throw in the rest for free. Call Now: BR-549
"Mike (meuon) Harrison" wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Dwight Ringdahl wrote:
Nope strictly for marketing reasons... ASN has almost no place in BGP selection.
Dang Geek Pride! (Still MH94 and 3901 after all these years..)
It's worse than hanging around Ham radio guys with 4 digit call signs...
.. Next we'll get into .. "I booted off of paper tape.." and then.. "I booted off of flip switches".. but I'm one of the few that have strung ferrites on a loom.. Martha.. get me my cane..
------- And to get completely off topic.. Why/how would you use an ASN for marketing purposes? And should this even be considered.. except as a tongue in cheek geek thing?
My ICQ number has 6 digits. Think I can sell it on eBay and make a fortune ? :) It'd make me a heck of a lot more money than my stocks ! Things that make you go hmmm... -- Andrea Abrahamsen Software Engineer, Intelligent Network Services Cisco Systems
Andrea Abrahamsen wrote:
My ICQ number has 6 digits. Think I can sell it on eBay and make a fortune ? :)
It'd make me a heck of a lot more money than my stocks ! Things that make you go hmmm...
Yeah. I lost my 5 digit, but still have my 6 digit number. Then again, I like my 4 digit ASN. It's not exceptional, but it's easy to remember. Still trying to get the name change paperwork from the lawyers though. We haven't been OKFive in years. -Jack
Monday, April 21, 2003, 5:44:25 PM, Andrea wrote:
My ICQ number has 6 digits. Think I can sell it on eBay and make a fortune ? :)
You wont be the first I know people who paid a good amount of money for 5 digits icq# More money than sense IMHO -- Best regards, Subhi S Hashwa mailto:subhi@thebigboss.com Operations Manager Electronic Corner Limited
More money than sense IMHO
Reminds me of the shell providers that burn a /24 just to give their kids more IRC vanity hosts. </gripe> apl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Subhi S Hashwa" <subhi@thebigboss.com> To: "Andrea Abrahamsen" <slinky@rogers.com> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>; "Mike (meuon) Harrison" <meuon@highertech.net> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: Re[2]: Low AS - Number
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Alex Lambert wrote in reply to Subhi S Hashwa:
More money than sense IMHO
Reminds me of the shell providers that burn a /24 just to give their kids more IRC vanity hosts.
</hat=RIR> <hat=security> From the avoiding denial-of-service-attacks-that-impact-your-network point of view, putting your attractive-to-irritating-script-kiddies hosts on a separate network is a good thing, as you can always drop the specific network to save the performance of the rest of your network. If you happen to have a spare ASN around to do so with, even better. </hat> --==-- Bruce. I do not speak for my employer.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bruce Campbell wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Alex Lambert wrote in reply to Subhi S Hashwa:
More money than sense IMHO
Reminds me of the shell providers that burn a /24 just to give their kids more IRC vanity hosts.
</hat=RIR> <hat=security>
From the avoiding denial-of-service-attacks-that-impact-your-network point of view, putting your attractive-to-irritating-script-kiddies hosts on a separate network is a good thing, as you can always drop the specific network to save the performance of the rest of your network.
Yes, assuming you have some sort of PI /24 .. (if its just split from an aggregate which is also routed as most seem to be you still get the traffic)
If you happen to have a spare ASN around to do so with, even better.
ASN is irrelevant Steve
</hat>
--==-- Bruce.
I do not speak for my employer.
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 06:09:55AM -0700, Brian Boles wrote:
Anyone having problems with Cogent right now?
<skipped> My connection Cogent in Chicago went down around ~0757, and still is down. Phone calls to 1-877-7-COGENT are getting busy signal. -Basil @ CIFNet
Cogent is stating they are aware of a network outage but they are unaware of duration or cause. They have opened up master TT: HD26558. -Brian On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 at 08:14 Basil Kruglov (basil@cifnet.com) wrote:
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 06:09:55AM -0700, Brian Boles wrote:
Anyone having problems with Cogent right now?
<skipped>
My connection Cogent in Chicago went down around ~0757, and still is down.
Phone calls to 1-877-7-COGENT are getting busy signal.
-Basil @ CIFNet
-- Brian S. Adelson Vice President of Network Operations Voicenet Phone 215.674.9290 x1146 brian@voicenet.com
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:20:55AM -0400, Brian S. Adelson wrote:
Cogent is stating they are aware of a network outage but they are unaware of duration or cause. They have opened up master TT: HD26558.
According to the person I just talk to, at 0837CST, the Core router in Chicago went down and it will be up momentarily...obviously no sign of that yet. -Basil @ CIFNet
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:39:11AM -0500, Basil Kruglov wrote:
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:20:55AM -0400, Brian S. Adelson wrote:
Cogent is stating they are aware of a network outage but they are unaware of duration or cause. They have opened up master TT: HD26558.
According to the person I just talk to, at 0837CST, the Core router in Chicago went down and it will be up momentarily...obviously no sign of that yet.
It's up and passing packets now, I called again after 5m of waiting and I've been told they're tracking it under HD26558; some of their core routers went down all over the backbone, reason is still unknown. -Basil @ CIFNet
Thanks Basil- I actually just got on Hold on the 1-877 number. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Basil Kruglov" <basil@cifnet.com> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:14 AM Subject: Re: Cogent Problems?
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 06:09:55AM -0700, Brian Boles wrote:
Anyone having problems with Cogent right now?
<skipped>
My connection Cogent in Chicago went down around ~0757, and still is down.
Phone calls to 1-877-7-COGENT are getting busy signal.
-Basil @ CIFNet
Brian From http://status.psi.com/ there's quite a few 'upgrades' going on the PSI-net side of things. Prob one of the changes barfed - like they always seem to do recently with Cogent/PSI-net. -- Martin Hepworth Senior Systems Administrator Solid State Logic L Brian Boles wrote
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 11:46:19AM -0400, Dwight Ringdahl wrote:
Nope strictly for marketing reasons... ASN has almost no place in BGP selection.
-----Original Message----- From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:39 AM To: dwightringdahl@yahoo.com Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Low AS - Number
On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:10:58 EDT, Dwight Ringdahl <dwightringdahl@yahoo.com> said:
Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...
Lemme guess - not only do some places filter 69/8, they bogon-filter AS
http://puck.nether.net/~jared/papers/69-paper.html
numbers over 32K as well? Or is there some other reason?
I can't find it right now, but I believe there is a regex out there that some people may be using to drop unallocated asn blocks in as-path filtering. Considering the following, it's not too shocking to understand why people would want to drop such announcements: http://www.cymru.com/BGP/asnbogusrep.html
-- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 11:10:58AM -0400, Dwight Ringdahl wrote:
Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...
My new contact info for now is, dwightringdahl@yahoo.com, contact me off list if you have any questions.
If you had acted last week, you'd have gotten a 27600ish ASN... If you hurry, you can still snag one before 30000 (ARIN is in the 29700's as of this writing). Then again, if you're bored enough, you could try to time your app to get 30000 even, or wait a little bit and try for 31337 (though I suspect that will be hotly contested). Unfortunately, ARIN won't let you buy just an ASN (after all, why reuse limited resources when they can make you take a new number, and don't forget that maintainer fee :P). You pretty much have to buy a whole company, or at least their "assets that entitled them to the ASN" such as multiple transits or an existing customer base. They might not consider buying a defunct company to be one of those situations, so you might not want to advertise that, particularly when it comes time to transfer it. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
Dwight Ringdahl wrote:
Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...
My new contact info for now is, dwightringdahl@yahoo.com, contact me off list if you have any questions.
Thanks Dwight Ringdahl
I'd like to get a short (maximum 4 digit) ASN, too. To contact me, use the email address thats in the headers of this message.
Naughty, naughty - you know what ARIN will say about that. "You cannot transfer an AS Num". We changed the name of our company and they still have the old name on it. I finally told them that the ARIN WHOIS was incorrect and it was their fault for not changing the information to the correct info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Verlander" <rolyv@bigpond.com> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Low AS - Number
Dwight Ringdahl wrote:
Just a quick FYI, I am no longer with WebUseNet ASN 19151. I'll be starting to build a new network over the next several months. Does anyone have a low ASN I can buy/transfer as to not have one up in the 30,000s...
My new contact info for now is, dwightringdahl@yahoo.com, contact me off list if you have any questions.
Thanks Dwight Ringdahl
I'd like to get a short (maximum 4 digit) ASN, too.
To contact me, use the email address thats in the headers of this message.
Naughty, naughty - you know what ARIN will say about that. "You cannot
of our company and they still have the old name on it. I finally told them
John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: transfer an AS Num". We changed the name that the ARIN WHOIS was incorrect and it was
their fault for not changing the information to the correct info.
Yes, I know about that. I don't really mind if people offer me ASNs from other RIRs (APNIC, RIPE, etc.) that don't mind people transferring ASNs.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Roland Verlander wrote:
I'd like to get a short (maximum 4 digit) ASN, too.
you people are lame. This is the the NANOG list, the AS penis-size-list is someplace else.
To contact me, use the email address thats in the headers of this message.
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