I know that I am old & curmudgeonly now, but surely I cannot be the only NANOG person who uses UCB Mail on occasion? Or is it a lost cause to expect people to be concerned about the number of characters on a line, when they are arguing that we shouldn't worry about the number of globally-known routing prefixes? Sean. (who could buy a fancy email system, but doesn't want one at home and who could buy a big-iron router, but doesn't want one at home)
Unnamed Administration sources reported that smd@clock.org said:
Or is it a lost cause to expect people to be concerned about the number of characters on a line, when they are arguing that we shouldn't worry about the number of globally-known routing prefixes?
I would hope not, but.... One alternative is to regard unwrapped lines, HTML, 20 line sigs, and ms-tref as scoring; they help you evaluate the poster, as well as her/his post. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
1) some of us use mailers that won't let us change that easily. 2) but, then those same mailers expect to be talking to updated mailers on the other end. Come ON guys! Use Netscape, under an X session. Do I have to stay stuck in PINE just because of a few old troglodytes? I already have HTML and RTF turned off. As soon as I find the wrap switch, I'll hit it.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of David Lesher Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 5:46 AM To: smd@clock.org Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Please Format Your Posts
Unnamed Administration sources reported that smd@clock.org said:
Or is it a lost cause to expect people to be concerned about the number of characters on a line, when they are arguing that we shouldn't worry about the number of globally-known routing prefixes?
I would hope not, but....
One alternative is to regard unwrapped lines, HTML, 20 line sigs, and ms-tref as scoring; they help you evaluate the poster, as well as her/his post.
-- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 08:58:48AM -0700, Roeland Meyer (E-mail) wrote:
Come ON guys! Use Netscape, under an X session.
you gotta be kidding.
Do I have to stay stuck in PINE just because of a few old troglodytes?
yes. -- [ Jim Mercer jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ Reptilian Research -- Longer Life through Colder Blood ] [ Don't be fooled by cheap Finnish imitations; BSD is the One True Code. ]
On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 12:17:26PM -0400, Jim Mercer wrote:
On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 08:58:48AM -0700, Roeland Meyer (E-mail) wrote:
Come ON guys! Use Netscape, under an X session.
you gotta be kidding.
Do I have to stay stuck in PINE just because of a few old troglodytes?
yes.
no. you can use mutt, or some other mailer too. The problem becomes this: Some of us read our e-mail in very diverse locations. From a windows machine one day, an X term the next, and then via the ssh client on a cisco at a POP the next. It's just polite to format your messages such that they will fit on a 80x24 screen with a fixed font size. I know people who prefer outlook (why, i don't know), or netscape, or many other mailers. If everyone would do the nice thing and format your messages, it would be appreciated. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine. END OF LINE |
Do I have to stay stuck in PINE just because of a few old troglodytes?
Depends if you want us troglodytes to read your posts.
As soon as I find the wrap switch, I'll hit it.
I find the return key effective for this purpose :-) -- Alex Bligh VP Core Network, Concentric Network Corporation (formerly GX Networks, Xara Networks)
On Sun, 14 May 2000, Roeland Meyer (E-mail) wrote:
1) some of us use mailers that won't let us change that easily. 2) but, then those same mailers expect to be talking to updated mailers on the other end.
There are plenty of updated mailers that run in a term session...
Come ON guys! Use Netscape, under an X session. Do I have to stay stuck in PINE just because of a few old troglodytes? I already have HTML and RTF turned off.
Yes! I don't know anyone that can blow through mailing list chaff quickly in any of the GUI-fied mailers. I like to read/compose mail without ever taking my hands off the keyboard... I don't want my mailboxes spread over 16 machines for the next person to peek at, and we don't run an IMAP MTA yet... You know, I can even click on web links in my crunchy old mailer? I don't even have to see the ads (hello lynx!). If I so desired, I could have Netscape fire up for this purpose as well.
As soon as I find the wrap switch, I'll hit it.
Edit->Prefs->mail&news->messages->"wrap outgoing, plain text messages at X chars" Not to start a religious war, but I really must say every GUI MUA I've ever touched is bloated, clunky, non-intuitive, slow, and mouse-click heavy. :) Charles
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of David Lesher Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 5:46 AM To: smd@clock.org Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Please Format Your Posts
Unnamed Administration sources reported that smd@clock.org said:
Or is it a lost cause to expect people to be concerned about the number of characters on a line, when they are arguing that we shouldn't worry about the number of globally-known routing prefixes?
I would hope not, but....
One alternative is to regard unwrapped lines, HTML, 20 line sigs, and ms-tref as scoring; they help you evaluate the poster, as well as her/his post.
-- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
[ On Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 08:58:48 (-0700), Roeland Meyer (E-mail) wrote: ]
Subject: RE: Please Format Your Posts
1) some of us use mailers that won't let us change that easily.
Then please change your mailer -- do you really want to use such broken software for mission critical things like NANOG discussions? ;-) I concur with what Charles says in another followup: every GUI MUA I've ever touched is bloated, clunky, non-intuitive, slow, and mouse-click heavy; unless of course you count VM under (X)emacs as a GUI MUA..... -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <gwoods@acm.org> <robohack!woods> Planix, Inc. <woods@planix.com>; Secrets of the Weird <woods@weird.com>
Hello Roland, On Sun, 14 May 2000, Roeland Meyer (E-mail) wrote:
1) some of us use mailers that won't let us change that easily. 2) but, then those same mailers expect to be talking to updated mailers on the other end. Come ON guys! Use Netscape, under an X session. Do I have to stay stuck in PINE just because of a few old troglodytes? I already have HTML and RTF turned off. In a word 'Probably' . One I still use pine . IMO it is still -FAR- superior to any of the Mail Agents I have seen .
As soon as I find the wrap switch, I'll hit it. In Netscape try: /edit/preferances/Mail & Newsgroups/Messages/
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On Sun, 14 May 2000, Roeland Meyer (E-mail) wrote:
Come ON guys! Use Netscape, under an X session. Do I have to stay stuck in PINE just because of a few old troglodytes? I already have HTML and RTF turned off.
Sure, I bet I do more in pine and Procmail then you do under your Netscape mail package.
As soon as I find the wrap switch, I'll hit it.
You may want to find it, then post. Since we are on this format tangent, you should also put your reply under the relevant text of the message you are replying, remove any text that is not relevant, and generally offer more of your own content then the text you are including.
<> Nathan Stratton CTO, eXario Networks, Inc. nathan@robotics.net nathan@exario.net http://www.robotics.net http://www.exario.net
Thus spake Roeland Meyer (E-mail)
1) some of us use mailers that won't let us change that easily. 2) but, then those same mailers expect to be talking to updated mailers on the other end.
This is funny. You complain that your mailer doesn't let you do something as simple as changing a few things so that your posts are more universal and then urge us to change to an "updated" mailer? You must have a very different definition for "updated" than I do. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@{druid|vex}.net> | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
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