http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/ -- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Martin Hepworth wrote:
Saying the other brand sucks doesn't make yours any better. Besides, there are other big players on the market. Terribly lame of Cisco... Vlad Galu galu@packetdam.com
On 14/09/2011 11:42, Martin Hepworth wrote:
Wow, classy. Nick
On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 14/09/2011 11:42, Martin Hepworth wrote:
Wow, classy.
Nick
Wow... If Cisco slides any further into mudslinging, I'll expect the company to run for president. Owen
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site. whois overpromisesunderdelivers.net Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 05-sep-2011 Creation Date: 05-sep-2011 Expiration Date: 05-sep-2012 Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Created on: 05-Sep-11 Expires on: 05-Sep-12 Last Updated on: 05-Sep-11 Administrative Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Technical Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Domain servers in listed order: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM braaen@brian:~$ dig OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET ; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40339 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN A 98.129.229.190 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns36.domaincontrol.com. OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns35.domaincontrol.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns35.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 216.69.185.18 ns36.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 208.109.255.18 braaen@brian:~$ dig -x 98.129.229.190 ; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> -x 98.129.229.190 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 26507 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;190.229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN SOA ns.rackspace.com. hostmaster.rackspace.com. 1314291452 3600 300 1814400 300 --- Brian Raaen Network Architect Zcorum On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:42:35AM +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 07:15 -0400, Brian Raaen wrote:
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site.
(1) If Cisco were responsible, would they want to advertise the fact ? (2) If Cisco feel their intellectual and copyright property is being abused, Cisco lawyers would have the Cisco name and branding removed in seconds ! Paul, England, EU.
Main cisco page has a link to it... Frank On 9/14/2011 2:15 PM, Brian Raaen wrote:
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site.
whois overpromisesunderdelivers.net
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information.
Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 05-sep-2011 Creation Date: 05-sep-2011 Expiration Date: 05-sep-2012
Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Created on: 05-Sep-11 Expires on: 05-Sep-12 Last Updated on: 05-Sep-11
Administrative Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Technical Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Domain servers in listed order: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
braaen@brian:~$ dig OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40339 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN A 98.129.229.190
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns36.domaincontrol.com. OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns35.domaincontrol.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns35.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 216.69.185.18 ns36.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 208.109.255.18
braaen@brian:~$ dig -x 98.129.229.190
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> -x 98.129.229.190 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 26507 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;190.229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN SOA ns.rackspace.com. hostmaster.rackspace.com. 1314291452 3600 300 1814400 300
--- Brian Raaen Network Architect Zcorum On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:42:35AM +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
Hi Frank, http://blogs.cisco.com/tag/overpromise/ Quote from the blog: "Some vendors have repeatedly over-promised and under delivered, and still somehow receive credit for their vision! (You can read more about one vendor's repeated broken promises here.)" http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/ https://twitter.com/#!/CiscoSystems/status/113226120601677825 https://twitter.com/#!/CiscoNL/statuses/113577908525744129 Personally I think this is a pathetic action from Cisco, however I'm not surprised by them doing it ... Regards, Erik Bais
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Habicht [mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:21 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ouch..
Main cisco page has a link to it...
Frank
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted
On 9/14/2011 2:15 PM, Brian Raaen wrote: their logo all over the site.
whois overpromisesunderdelivers.net
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to
for detailed information.
Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 05-sep-2011 Creation Date: 05-sep-2011 Expiration Date: 05-sep-2012
Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Created on: 05-Sep-11 Expires on: 05-Sep-12 Last Updated on: 05-Sep-11
Administrative Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Technical Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Domain servers in listed order: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
braaen@brian:~$ dig OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40339 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN A 98.129.229.190
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns36.domaincontrol.com. OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns35.domaincontrol.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns35.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 216.69.185.18 ns36.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 208.109.255.18
braaen@brian:~$ dig -x 98.129.229.190
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> -x 98.129.229.190 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 26507 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;190.229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN SOA ns.rackspace.com. hostmaster.rackspace.com. 1314291452 3600 300 1814400 300
--- Brian Raaen Network Architect Zcorum On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:42:35AM +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
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-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Bais [mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:56 AM To: 'Frank Habicht'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: ouch..
Personally I think this is a pathetic action from Cisco, however I'm not surprised by them doing it ...
Regards, Erik Bais
Does seem odd that Cisco would use Go Daddy. My first thought was a disgruntled (ex) Juniper Employee. Then again, Juniper did bash Cisco in its cartoon strips all those years. Payback???
One:
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site.
Another:
Does seem odd that Cisco would use Go Daddy. My first thought was a disgruntled (ex) Juniper Employee. Then again, Juniper did bash Cisco in its cartoon strips all those years. Payback???
I'm bit surprised people actually think where campaign site is hosted and who has registered domain can be used to predict who is responsible for it. Cisco marketing probably have tons of webshops from whom they buy campaigns, what ever company was responsibly for winning this bid happens to use godaddy and rackspace. Our marketing has bought campaigns which have been hosted in our competitors networks, they don't understand to ask from the bidder where and how will the pages be hosted. -- ++ytti
Check out the White Papar referenced .... http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/pdfs/Why_Cisco_Not_Juniper.pdf It has Cisco's usual White Paper format and their copyright stamped on the bottom which is also dates "9/11". If it's not Cisco or one of it's affiliates, I would expect them to be contacting their so called "Marketing" folks anytime now. If this really is Cisco .... i'm with Owen and expect a presidential bid announcement any second now .... Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :) - Max On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:
One:
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site.
Another:
Does seem odd that Cisco would use Go Daddy. My first thought was a disgruntled (ex) Juniper Employee. Then again, Juniper did bash Cisco in its cartoon strips all those years. Payback???
I'm bit surprised people actually think where campaign site is hosted and who has registered domain can be used to predict who is responsible for it. Cisco marketing probably have tons of webshops from whom they buy campaigns, what ever company was responsibly for winning this bid happens to use godaddy and rackspace. Our marketing has bought campaigns which have been hosted in our competitors networks, they don't understand to ask from the bidder where and how will the pages be hosted.
-- ++ytti
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU.
Define Cisco in your context please. Cisco marketing?? Cisco sales?? Cisco TAC? Cisco product development?? I've been told several lies by some Cisco SE's that have worked with me, but I wouldn't go as far to say "Cisco lies". - Max On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Always Learning <nanog@u61.u22.net> wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
-- With best regards,
Paul. England, EU.
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:44:10 CDT, "N. Max Pierson" said:
Define Cisco in your context please. Cisco marketing?? Cisco sales?? Cisco TAC? Cisco product development??
Cisco outsourced PR campaign? Wouldn't be the first time a company has hired a shop, stuck a link to the result on their home page, and then been surprised by what they linked to. In any case, I'm sure *somebody* is having an uncomfortable conversation in their supervisor's office this morning. ;)
:) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Always Learning <nanog@u61.u22.net> wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
-- With best regards,
Paul. England, EU.
-----Original Message----- From: Always Learning [mailto:nanog@u61.u22.net] Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39 To: N. Max Pierson Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ouch..
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
-- With best regards,
Paul. England, EU.
Lies? So who has 100G MX series cards then..? -- Leigh ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
Funny they forget to mention that Cisco doesn't have 100g any where. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Always Learning [mailto:nanog@u61.u22.net] Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39 To: N. Max Pierson Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ouch..
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
-- With best regards,
Paul. England, EU.
Lies? So who has 100G MX series cards then..?
-- Leigh
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Now just where would the fun in THAT be? ;) Scott On 9/14/11 11:00 AM, James Jones wrote:
Funny they forget to mention that Cisco doesn't have 100g any where.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Leigh Porter <leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Always Learning [mailto:nanog@u61.u22.net] Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39 To: N. Max Pierson Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ouch..
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :) Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
-- With best regards,
Paul. England, EU.
Lies? So who has 100G MX series cards then..?
-- Leigh
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On 9/14/2011 10:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :) Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
Lies? So who has 100G MX series cards then..?
That's disingenuous. The question was not whether Cisco has ever lied, but whether the web page lies. The web page very carefully picks and chooses facts, but I don't think it actually lies. Therefore, it isn't slander. It's just mudslinging. Also, on another note, nobody should be surprised that the registration information doesn't say "Cisco." Think about it: would they want "whois overpromisesunderdelivers.com" to say "Cisco" all over it?
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:02 AM, David Israel <davei@otd.com> wrote:
On 9/14/2011 10:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
Lies? So who has 100G MX series cards then..?
That's disingenuous. The question was not whether Cisco has ever lied, but whether the web page lies. The web page very carefully picks and chooses facts, but I don't think it actually lies. Therefore, it isn't slander. It's just mudslinging.
Also, on another note, nobody should be surprised that the registration information doesn't say "Cisco." Think about it: would they want "whois overpromisesunderdelivers.com" to say "Cisco" all over it?
Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're gear just works. -- Brandon Galbraith US Voice: 630.492.0464
Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're gear just works.
If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see the non established player (apple) making pokes at the established. -- Regards, Jason Leschnik. Mob. 0432 35 4224 Uni mail. jml974@uow.edu.au
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Jason Leschnik wrote:
If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see the non established player (apple) making pokes at the established.
I asked our account manager. I got the following link: <http://blogs.cisco.com/news/trust-relationships-and-reputation-how-cisco-differs-from-the-competition/> Yes, it's indeed from Cisco. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:51 AM, Jason Leschnik wrote:
Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're gear just works.
If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see the non established player (apple) making pokes at the established.
OTOH, you do see Micr0$0ft doing everything they can to imitate Apple. I was at Valley Fair mall the other day. Micr0$0ft is apparently building a new store directly across from the Apple store there. They have gone to the trouble and expense of covering the "under construction" paneling with a full-color mural touting this fact, including employees dressed in brightly colored Apple-store-like T-shirts sporting name badges identical to those worn by the employees in the Apple store. I wonder if Micr0$0ft is going to develop a Zune cash register, too? Owen
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:51 AM, Jason Leschnik wrote:
If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see the non established player (apple) making pokes at the established.
OTOH, you do see Micr0$0ft doing everything they can to imitate Apple.
I was at Valley Fair mall the other day. Micr0$0ft is apparently building a new store directly across from the Apple store there.
It's funny; they did the exact same thing at Mall of America maybe a year ago. I guess your report confirms it was a strategy, rather than a really absurd coincidence. Jima
---- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Leschnik" <leschnik@gmail.com>
If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see the non established player (apple) making pokes at the established.
And we all remember how that worked out *last* time: http://www.macmothership.com/gallery/newads2/seriouslyIBM_l.jpg Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
Or..."Go ahead and keep buying 6509 chassis, the 7600 brand is just a marketing thing" -C On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Always Learning [mailto:nanog@u61.u22.net] Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39 To: N. Max Pierson Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ouch..
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
-- With best regards,
Paul. England, EU.
Lies? So who has 100G MX series cards then..?
-- Leigh
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Nice, I didn't see that. Then I guess whoever set up this site was a shill for Cisco, I just love how instead of focusing on developing better products, that they are more about marketing now. --- Brian Raaen Network Architect Zcorum On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 02:20:56PM +0300, Frank Habicht wrote:
Main cisco page has a link to it...
Frank
On 9/14/2011 2:15 PM, Brian Raaen wrote:
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site.
whois overpromisesunderdelivers.net
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information.
Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 05-sep-2011 Creation Date: 05-sep-2011 Expiration Date: 05-sep-2012
Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Created on: 05-Sep-11 Expires on: 05-Sep-12 Last Updated on: 05-Sep-11
Administrative Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Technical Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Domain servers in listed order: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
braaen@brian:~$ dig OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40339 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN A 98.129.229.190
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns36.domaincontrol.com. OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns35.domaincontrol.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns35.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 216.69.185.18 ns36.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 208.109.255.18
braaen@brian:~$ dig -x 98.129.229.190
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> -x 98.129.229.190 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 26507 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;190.229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN SOA ns.rackspace.com. hostmaster.rackspace.com. 1314291452 3600 300 1814400 300
--- Brian Raaen Network Architect Zcorum On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:42:35AM +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
On 09/14/2011 07:58 AM, Brian Raaen wrote:
Nice, I didn't see that. Then I guess whoever set up this site was a shill for Cisco, I just love how instead of focusing on developing better products, that they are more about marketing now.
--- Brian Raaen Network Architect
Cisco has always been about marketing from since Chambers took over way back when!
Or possibly Cisco is trying to cover their tracks. Owen On Sep 14, 2011, at 4:15 AM, Brian Raaen wrote:
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site.
whois overpromisesunderdelivers.net
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information.
Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 05-sep-2011 Creation Date: 05-sep-2011 Expiration Date: 05-sep-2012
Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET Created on: 05-Sep-11 Expires on: 05-Sep-12 Last Updated on: 05-Sep-11
Administrative Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Technical Contact: Private, Registration OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Domain servers in listed order: NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
braaen@brian:~$ dig OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40339 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN A 98.129.229.190
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns36.domaincontrol.com. OVERPROMISESUNDERDELIVERS.NET. 3364 IN NS ns35.domaincontrol.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns35.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 216.69.185.18 ns36.domaincontrol.com. 3046 IN A 208.109.255.18
braaen@brian:~$ dig -x 98.129.229.190
; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> -x 98.129.229.190 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 26507 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;190.229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 229.129.98.in-addr.arpa. 300 IN SOA ns.rackspace.com. hostmaster.rackspace.com. 1314291452 3600 300 1814400 300
--- Brian Raaen Network Architect Zcorum On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:42:35AM +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
amazingly professional. not. but lead contestant for pathetic jealousy post of the year
Good grief. Tell me ANY vendor who has not had this happen? | QUALIFIER | - A vendor who has been in business at least ten years please. - Mike DeMan On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:42 AM, Martin Hepworth wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
I find it very amusing when viewing the statement regarding the Nexus product line, "announced 2008, delivered a few months later...", considering that it has significant QA issues that have made us regret our purchases of all Nexus gear. We are primarily a Cat6509 shop and standard features, ones that have been around for decades, simply were left out of Nexus just so they could rush to market (VTP comes to mind on the 5K line). David. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Martin Hepworth <maxsec@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1BfhRauFvw&feature=player_embedded On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David Swafford <david@davidswafford.com> wrote:
I find it very amusing when viewing the statement regarding the Nexus product line, "announced 2008, delivered a few months later...", considering that it has significant QA issues that have made us regret our purchases of all Nexus gear. We are primarily a Cat6509 shop and standard features, ones that have been around for decades, simply were left out of Nexus just so they could rush to market (VTP comes to mind on the 5K line).
David.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Martin Hepworth <maxsec@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
-- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK
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