Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?
Either Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' office is on the NANOG list or someone is forwarding NANOG email to AOC's press office (in which case either spoofed as the original sender or AOC's office sends an ack to every email address it can find)..as I received this auto-ack in response to my email to to the list. Anyone have any insight into this? And either way, what is the policy about forwarding list email to someone who is not on the list? Anne
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From: press@ocasiocortez.com Subject: Re: Re: Re Parler and its very underprepared attorney Date: January 17, 2021 at 12:20:33 PM MST To: "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq." <amitchell@isipp.com> Reply-To: press@ocasio2018.com
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Dear all, On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:17:06AM -0700, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Either Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' office is on the NANOG list or someone is forwarding NANOG email to AOC's press office (in which case either spoofed as the original sender or AOC's office sends an ack to every email address it can find)..as I received this auto-ack in response to my email to to the list.
Anyone have any insight into this?
The NANOG Mailing-list usage guidelines prohibit auto-reponse postings to the list or to other users: https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ The mailing list admin team (admins@nanog.org) can take action to prevent auto-responders decrease the signal to noise ratio. As multiple users have now made a report about an auto-responder, I'm sure the issue will be resolved soon.
And either way, what is the policy about forwarding list email to someone who is not on the list?
The NANOG mailing list is a so-called 'public' mailing list. Emails send to the list are distributed to all subscribed email addresses, and in addition to such this distribution, list postings archived at a publicly accessible location for anyone prefering to use a web browser: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/ It is possible for users to distribute NANOG mailing list postings through other means, such as additional forwarding and archiving (example: https://marc.info/?l=nanog) The NANOG mailing list AUP does not prohibit forwarding of emails which were sent to NANOG the list to people not on the list. Kind regards, Job
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:20 AM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. <amitchell@isipp.com> wrote:
And either way, what is the policy about forwarding list email to someone who is not on the list?
If you are posting to NANOG under the impression that your email will only be seen by network engineers and that it will never be "leaked" off-list to the public, I have deal for you involving a few billion shillings I need to smuggle out of Kenya...you can keep 10%, and I just need your routing info... -A
On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron@heyaaron.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:20 AM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. <amitchell@isipp.com> wrote: And either way, what is the policy about forwarding list email to someone who is not on the list?
If you are posting to NANOG under the impression that your email will only be seen by network engineers and that it will never be "leaked" off-list to the public, I have deal for you involving a few billion shillings I need to smuggle out of Kenya...you can keep 10%, and I just need your routing info...
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne -- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy. https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/ On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it. On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
I agree 100%. I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior. - Javier On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: the
policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
A-woman! Sincerely, Lorell Hathcock
On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
I agree 100%.
I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior.
- Javier
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote: There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
I find this comment insulting. On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:40 PM Lorell Hathcock <lorell@hathcock.org> wrote:
A-woman!
Sincerely,
Lorell Hathcock
On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
I agree 100%.
I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior.
- Javier
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: the
policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
javier, I concur. What we don’t need on Nanog is outside parties deciding to “reign in” our discussions on political grounds! -mel beckman On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote: I agree 100%. I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior. - Javier On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org<mailto:jlewis@lewis.org>> wrote: There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it. On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
I couldn't agree more. If I want to talk politics, I will go to other places. I use this mailing list to talk about things relevant to technology and operation of networks in North American and other places. - Javier On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 4:19 PM Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
javier,
I concur. What we don’t need on Nanog is outside parties deciding to “reign in” our discussions on political grounds!
-mel beckman
On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
I agree 100%.
I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior.
- Javier
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: the
policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
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