It's been a bit too long since I was near the high end, so I grabbed a 4507 from my local surplus vendor; dual PS, dual supe, Gig Fiber (large transceivers, alas, not GBIC), and 3 48port RJ45 POE cards. For $60. I love surplus. Is there a good Catalyst-IOS tutorial on line I can buzz through, to refresh my memory on where everything is? Cheers, -- jra -- Make Election Day a federal holiday: http://wh.gov/lBm94 100k sigs by 12/14 Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274