On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Feldman <jf@feldman.org> wrote:
I don't agree with you, Christopher, that the broadband plan won't affect corporate users. I know that this list _mostly_ consists of operators, but
(there are a fair number of consumer network operations folks on nanog as well...) There have been plans to offer 'business' connectivity (replacing T1/T3 last-mile type things) from the likes of Verizon (FiOS) for some time. To date you can't (and they don't seem to have plans really) get a last-mile tail on FiOS with BGP for routing information (like for a redundant connection setup, or for alternate provider paths: FiOS 50mbps link from VZ + 45mbps Ds3 from ATT using BGP to manage your redundancy needs). I don't know that you could not do the same on Comcast or Cox's deployments at this time, maybe someone from these alternatives have already spoken up privately on the matter.
I've gotten some offline responses to my initial query that seem to indicate that enterprise users utilize SOHO (consumer grade, but with higher speeds)
Sure, lots of folks use 'consumer grade' links for out-sites, that dish on top of the Mobil station being the cannonical example. These out-sites don't generally have the data concentration of the main office, nor the bandwidth needs, nor the redundancy/resiliency needs. Using a SOHO/Consumer link in the right place is a fine solution, using it at your core site, not so fine...
for various branch office needs. Also, when a technology gets "consumerized" it tends to create interesting effects in terms of features and price points.
Still waiting for that on the FiOS space or the Comcast space (where's my 100mbps cable/FiOS link with BGP for redundancy?). I CAN get a 50mbps bidirectional FiOS link with static ip addresses (that I have to pay for the 'privilege' of having) but I can NOT use my own ip space, nor can I use a routing protocol to tell VZ or the rest of the world to prefer my alternate link to get to my office. That's suboptimal, and not 'business class' service.
Think of it this way: where would corporate mobile phones be without the consumer effect? We'd still be carrying them around in bags and only corporate officers would have them.
I'm not sure that the corporate smartphone usage was driven by consumers, it seems (to me) to be the other way around actually... I'm not a mobile-maven so who knows :) -Chris
I appreciate everyone's response!
On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jonathan Feldman <jf@feldman.org> wrote:
I'm one of the reporters who covers broadband and cloud computing for InformationWeek magazine (www.informationweek.com), and it's interesting to me that one of the issues with cloud adoption has to do with the limited pipe networks available in this country. For example, it's not feasible to do a massive data load through the networks that are currently available -- you need to FedEx a hard drive to Amazon. Holy cow, it's SneakerNet for the 21st Century!
is this a 'this country' bandwidth problem or the problem that moving 10tb of 'corporate data' in a 'secure fashion' from 'office' to 'cloud' really isn't a simple task? and that cutting a DB over at a point in time 'next tuesday!' is far easier done by shipping a point-in-time copy of the DB via sata-drive than 'holy cow copy this over the corp ds3, while we make sure not to kill it for mail/web/etc other corporate normal uses' ?
The broadband plan stuff mostly covers consumers, not enterprises, most of the (amazon as the example here) cloud folks offer disk-delivery options for businesses.
you seem to be comparing apples to oranges, no?
-chris