On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Joshua Goldbard <j@2600hz.com> wrote:
God I want one of those PA firewalls just to play with in the lab. I can't justify the expense, but as far as firewalls go they're gorgeous. From the chassis to the UI, PA is just doing it right.
If anyone has a different experience, I'd love to hear it.
for any firewall/appliance .. ask this: "How can I manage 200 of these things remotely" UI is pretty and nice and cool.. but utterly useless if you have more than 1 of the things. also, a firewall is a firewall is a firewall... they all do the basics (nat/filter/'proxy') nothing else in that category really matters... management matters.
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On Mar 15, 2013, at 8:29 AM, "Warren Bailey" <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
We used 7206vxr with the lawful intercept mib, and some DPI jazz from Palo Alto. Worked okay, never did have to execute a warrant or anything.
From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
-------- Original message -------- From: Joshua Goldbard <j@2600hz.com> Date: 03/15/2013 8:25 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?
I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. If you make decisions about what you should be doing in your business based solely on emails from strangers you won't do well. Get a second opinion from a lawyer.
This comes up about once every 6 months on the voice ops mailing list. If you are a CLEC and you are not CALEA compliant, you are in for a world of hurt.
If you're a non-facilities based reseller this is open for interpretation, but many folks believe that if you don't have gear inside the carrier pops, you aren't subject to CALEA. In practice, who is and who isn't effected by CALEA is directly proportional to the number of CALEA requests to your network (ergo, if you don't have any CALEA requests no one cares if you're out of compliance).
That being said, there are further problems underfoot. CALEA does not specify what technologies should be used when presenting the data to law enforcement, I forget the exact wording but its something like "a reasonable format". CDRs are not sufficient as CALEA requires the ability to tap sessions, but in the past we've seen most legal requests placated with an excel sheet.
As far as monitoring your connection, if your 10gig is coming in over fiber you should just buy a vampire tap and be done with it.
I hope this helps, but CALEA is inherently messy.
Cheers, Joshua
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On Mar 15, 2013, at 8:07 AM, "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ben Bartsch <uwcableguy@gmail.com> wrote:
What are you RENs out there doing for CALEA compliance? Is there actually
being happy we solved it 6 yrs ago?
any teeth to the law? Our systems guys have tried a product called 'Open
teeth as in the 100k/day fine?
CALEA' but the router and the server simply can't keep up with mirroring from a 10Gbps connection into a 1Gbps link. I'm no legal expert
that seems like a suboptimal design ... why would you mirror 10lbs of poo into a 1lb bag? that seems like it's bound to fail from the get-go.
either....any lawyers on this list?
you should find a lawyer... srsly.
Thanks for all the great advice. This is a great community!
-chris