Anyone on the list who does outbound delivery for Verizon (which I think is actually Superpages)? A client has smart-hosted outbounds to *one* of his customers bouncing suddenly with Deferred: 403 4.7.0 TLS handshake failed. *My* inclination is to think that a cert expired somewhere, but his non-tech contact there tells him that the tech people think things are ok. I'm trying to get a mailer log fragment from them. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274