On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
I haven't followed this entire string. Are you saying ARIN is repeatedly handing out address space to known abusers? If that's the case then yes, some form of policy should be worked on.
i might walk more slowly and with a bit less self-righteousness. this is not a simple area. are we sure we want the rirs to become the net content police? how are they to judge?
that was part of my set of points... but if there is a feeling (in the community) that ARIN should be doing something differently, bitching about it on nanog-l or ppml isn't helping. What does help is following the proper process for ARIN policies or suggestions.
e.g., prudent isps act against a customer when there is a court order, not when the net gossip says they're bad actors. i.e., the decision of who is a bad actor is passed on to the society's normal judicial process.
It's worked out so well so far, yea.... though there are at least 2 things being discussed: 1) not allocating to known offendors (even those who've been through the court system and had judgements against them, which would be following your proposed path) 2) dealing with rbl'd netblocks once they are returned to ARIN and the re-allocated to 'new' people. Both really do, to not just be this same discussion in 12 more moons, need either a policy proposal through ARIN or suggestion to the arin-suggest system. As an aside, what happens to things in APNIC/AFRINIC/RIPE in these circumstances? Say what will happen to: 85.255.112.0/20 in RIPE-land, or 116.50.8.0/20 in APNIC-land? -Chris