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From: "Leo Bicknell" <bicknell@ufp.org>
In a message written on Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 08:27:27PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote:
You're assuming there, I think, that residential customers will have mini-GBIC ports on their routers, which has not been my experience. :-)
They don't today because there is no demand for such a feature. My point is that if people deployed FTTH in this way, there would be demand for such products. Many of the chipsets inside these boxes already support SFP PHY, they just don't put an SFP connector on them to save a couple of bucks. If there was demand vendors would have a product out in months not years, probably within $10 of current prices (not counting optics).
XBOX 360s? There are still lots of people without routers, don't forget.
Understand that I'm not concerned with minimizing the build cost to the muni; I'm interested in *maximizing the utility of the build*, both to the end-user customers, *and* to local businesses who might/will serve them.
Yes, which is why you want to remove anything electronic possible, and to large extent any prismatic devices. Single mode from the 1990's will carry 10GE today, if unfettered. Today's single mode will carry 100GE+ for a 50+ year lifespan, if properly installed. Electronics last 5-10, and then must be replaced, at a cost passed on to consumers. The GigE GPON isn't cutting it anymore? Fine, let's replace all the electronics and update the splitters to 10GE, at great cost!
Have you missed, Leo, all the places wherein I've likened GPON to the AntiChrist? :-) That said, anyone for whom GiGE handoff is *not* good enough is a Layer 1 customer anyway.
By having a direct fiber pair to the home ISP's could run 100Mbps to one customer, GigE to another customer, and 10x10GE WDM to a third customer, just for the cost of equipment. Own two business locations? You don't even contract with an ISP; you pay the Muni $10/month for fiber to each prem, and $2/month for a cross connect and light it up however you want.
We are in violent agreement, then. But *that's not the statistical majority of the customer base*. At least not at first.
Plug in a GigE LAN switch on each end and off you go. It's the ultimte empowerment, fiber for everyone!
If necessary, yes. The city itself will certainly be a Layer 1 customer.
Based also on the point Owen makes about reducing truck rolls by having netadmin controlled hardware at the customer end, I'm not at all sure I agree; I think it depends a lot on what you're trading it off *against*.
That can be fixed in other ways. It would be easy to make a standard SNMP mib or something that the service provider could poll from the customer gateway, and service providers could require compatable equipment. There are ethernet OAM specs.
"Customer gateway". Isn't that the box you're denigrating? :-) Or do you mean the "FSLAM"?
In a message written on Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:24:51PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote:
To put that in patch panel racks, 10,368 households * 6 fibers per house (3 pair) / 864 per rack = 72 racks of patch panels. Using a relatively generous for 2-post patch panels 20sq feet per rack it would be 1,440 sq feet of colo space to house all of the patch panels to homes.
Oh, I hope to ghod we can get higher density that that.
I'm sure it's possible. I would be there is an LC solution by now, and this is also discounting direct fusion splicing which would be 20-40x smaller in footprint.
That said, the fiber MMR I'm proposing is of similar size to the telco CO's serving the same size towns today; except of course the Telco CO is filled with expensive switches, generators, battery banks, etc.
Sure.
I don't want to understate the fiber management problem in the MMR, it's real. Some thought and intelligence would have to go into the design of how patches are made, making heavy use of fusion splice trays rather than connectors, high density panels, and so on. That said, Telcos did a fine job of this with copper for hundreds of years when every line ran back to a central frame. There are fiber providers doing similar things today, not quite on the same scale but in ways that could easily scale up.
I have at least 24 months to watch the industry go by, probably longer.
I would like to build an infrastrucutre that could last 50-100 years, like the telephone twisted pair of the last century. The only tech I can see that can do that is home run single mode fiber to the home. Anything with electronics has no chance of that lifespan. Anything with splitters and such will be problematic down the road. Simpler is better.
IMO, what has to last 50 years is *the plant*. You and I are both putting terminal equipment on each end, we just differ on what it does, and who pays for it. I will, however, shoot anyone who proposes GPON. :-) Cheers, -- jr 'please, no gun control threadjacks :-)' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274