While it's correct that it's stored in the vendor proprietary MIB this information is commonly retrieved from the CableLabs standard MIB and via TR-181 in DSL and FTTH gear. I wrote up an answer on the security forum originally refereneced, but for convenience here is the same text. The PSK passphrase is (by design) stored in a retrievable format by the Modem vendor, in this case Arris, but the same standard is supported by many other modem vendors. In DOCSIS cable modems this is most commonly done via SNMP against this specific OID: clabWIFIAccessPointSecurityKeyPassphrase OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SnmpAdminString (SIZE(0..63)) MAX-ACCESS read-create STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This object is defined in TR-181 Device.WiFi.AccessPoint{i}.Security.KeyPassphrase." REFERENCE "TR-181 Device Data Model for TR-069." ::= {clabWIFIAccessPointSecurityEntry 5 This is part of the CableLabs WiFi MIB: http://mibs.cablelabs.com/MIBs/wireless/CLAB-WIFI-MIB-2017-09-07.txt Which is is in turn based on the TR-069 sub-standard of TR-181: https://cwmp-data-models.broadband-forum.org/tr-181-2-11-0.html#D.Device:2.D... .{i}.Security.KeyPassphrase http://www.broadband-forum.org/download/TR-181_Issue-2_Amendment-2.pdf Not only does this apply to cable modems, but many DSL and FTTH endpoints will also allow the service provider to retrieve your PSK passphrases and a litany of other settings. This allows for end users to have their settings backed up in case of a device having to be replaced or much more commonly for call centers to be able to retrieve some of the settings, like the pass phrase, when a customer calls in because they can't remember it. Scott Helms On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:34 PM Luke Guillory <lguillory@reservetele.com> wrote:
Yes it's in the router, accessed via the following MIB.
Name arrisRouterWPAPreSharedKey OID .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2 MIB ARRIS-ROUTER-DEVICE-MIB Syntax OCTET STRING (SIZE (8..64)) Access read-write Status current
Descri Sets the WPA Pre-Shared Key (PSK) used by this service set. This value MUST be either a 64 byte hexadecimal number, OR an 8 to 63 character ASCII string.
Which returns the following.
OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10004 Value: F2414322EE3D9263 Type: OctetString
OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10003 Value: F2414322EE3D9263 Type: OctetString
OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10002 Value: F2414322EE3D9263 Type: OctetString
OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.4115.1.20.1.1.3.26.1.2.10001 Value: F2414322EE3D9263 Type: OctetString
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-----Original Message----- From: Peter Beckman [mailto:beckman@angryox.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:35 PM To: Luke Guillory Cc: Laurent Dumont; NANOG Subject: Re: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019, Peter Beckman wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019, Luke Guillory wrote:
OP said they logged into their account and went to the security portion of the portal. So one can assume they're the ISP or I don’t see the point in asking how Comcast would know the info.
It is entirely possible that an account separate and hidden from the customer account would be able to access the administrative controls of the router. It is also plausible that the access does not use a username/password to authenticate but another, hopefully secure method.
One could make this access secure by:
1. Ensuring any connection originated from Company-controlled IP space 2. Username/Password are not provided to the CS agent but is merely a button they press, after properly authenticating themselves as well as authenticating the customer, that would pass a one-time use token to access the device 3. Every token use was logged and regularly audited 4. Keys were regularly and in an automated fashion rotated, maybe even daily
If such precautions are taken, it is their router and it is their service, seems reasonable that Comcast should be able to log into their router and change configs.
... such that the access of the Wifi Password which is likely stored in plain text on the router is accessed by Comcast in a secure manner and not stored in plain text in their internal databases.
But I'm guessing probably it's just cached in plain text in their internal DBs.
Get your own router if you're worried about your Wifi Password being known by Comcast. Or change to WPA2 Enterprise, but I'm guessing that isn't supported on the router...
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