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From: "Miles Fidelman" <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
Jay Ashworth wrote:
[ As you might imagine, this is a bit of a hobby horse for me; Verizon's behavior about municipally owned fiber, and it's attempts to convert post- Sandy customers in NYS from regulated copper to unregulated FiOS service leave a pretty bad taste in my mouth about VZN. ]
Jay, Quite agree with you on this stuff. I used to spend a good part of my time working with municipalities on planning fiber builds - so VZ's behavior on those matters leave a pretty bad taste in my mouth too. But.. that's kind of a different issue, wouldn't you say?
Certainly. Just full disclosure: I'm as motivated to reply to this as I am *because* I already have a hard-on for VZN. :-)
Am I obtuse or does it all boil down to:
1. If both Netflix customers, and Netflix all connected to a single network - customers would be paying for their access connections, and Netflix would be paying for a pipe big enough to handle the aggregate demand.
Correct.
2. The issue is that customers connect to one network (actually multiple networks, but lets stick with Verizon for now), and pay Verizon; Netflix buys aggregate capacity into other networks; with one or more transit networks in the middle.
3. Somebody has to pay for what's in the middle (ports into transit networks, bandwidth across them). Those are additional costs, that wouldn't exist if everyone were connected to the same network.
4. Both parties can make reasonable claims about why the other guys should pay.
There's argument about whether VZN's claims are reasonable, and I tend to fall on the "they are not, even though I don't like VZN anyway" side; this thread was as much a sanity check as anything.
5. Verizon and Comcast are big enough to say "Netflix pays" - with Netflix making a visible stink about it.
Yup.
6. Netflix is important enough to end users, that Netflix can tell the little guys "you pay." And yes, they're making it a little easier by providing the CDN boxes.
Fair amount easier I would say, but I don't think we have enough empirical evidence either way, at least not in this thread.
7. In the absence of some reasonably balanced formal policies and regulations about settlements - we're going to keep seeing this kind of stuff.
I hope that it doesn't come to that. Regulation is horrible. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274