On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 10:27:49AM -0400, Todd Underwood wrote:
marty,
On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 10:22:07AM -0400, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
rolling out magic code because your vendor tells you to is a bad idea;
That's mostly the result of the calamitous failure in vulnerability release methodology, not Operator stupidity.
totally agreed. vendors c, j and several others should be *ashamed* of the way that they handled and continue to handle this issue: they
Hmm, Do you mean NISCC? I think they were driving the issue: http://www.uniras.gov.uk/niscc/docs/al-20040420-00199.html?lang=en
have yet to admit that they raised a panic (in secret, with no facts, so that they could not be refuted) over a basic fact of the way tcp works, creating outages and instability to fix a non-problem.
operators in those circumstances had little choice but to roll out "critical security fixes", but i think we all deserve an apology, an explanation and a commitment to do better in the future.
Come on folks, this was over a year ago, we've all grown some (well, at least older) and hopefully wiser in how to handle these situations as they come up. I suspect the vendors, NISCC/UNIRAS, and various global CERTs have been learning from these events, but it was awhile ago so take the lesson and move on. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.