On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:32:39 -0400 Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:10 PM, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:
On Oct 31, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
"If Woody had gone straight to a ULA prefix, this would never have happened..." Or better yet, if Woody had gone straight to PI, he wouldn't have this problem, either. ula really never should an option... except for a short lived lab, nothing permanent.
Seems to me the options are:
1) PI, resulting in no renumbering costs, but RIR costs and routing table bloat 2) PA w/o ULA, resulting in full site renumbering cost, no routing table bloat 3) PA w/ ULA, resulting in externally visible-only renumbering cost, no routing table bloat
Folks appear to have voted with their feet that (2) isn't really viable -- they got that particular T-shirt with IPv4 and have been uniformly against getting the IPv6 version, at last as far as I can tell.
My impression (which may be wrong) is that with respect to (1), a) most folks can't justify a PI request to the RIR, b) most folks don't want to deal with the RIR administrative hassle, c) most ISPs would prefer to not have to replace their routers.
That would seem to leave (3).
Am I missing an option?
I don't think so, though I'd add 2 bits to your 1 and 3 options: 1) we ought to make getting PI easy, easy enough that the other options just don't make sense.
Surely your not saying "we ought to make getting PI easy, easy enough that the other options just don't make sense" so that all residential users get PI so that if their ISP disappears their network doesn't break?
all the world is not a corner case... I don't think sane folks are supportive of 'every end site gets pi', I think it's somewhat sane to believe that enterprise type folks can/should be able to get PI space to suit their needs. ULA for enterprises is really not a good solution. Cable/dsl end users can certainly apply for PI space they may even be able to justify an allocation (see owen...) I don't think they'll have much success actually getting a DSL/Cable provider to actually hold the route for them though... so I'm not sure that your pathological case matters here. -chris