www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 00:59, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> wrote:
BTW, how are you guys dealing with path MTU discovery for IPv6? I've seen a few sites that have problems with this, such as www.nist.gov, >
Speaking of www.nist.gov, I am getting the front page to load, but all links are returning a 404 Not Found when browsing via v6 Andrew Koch andrew.koch@gawul.net
On 8 jun 2011, at 8:15, Andrew Koch wrote:
Speaking of www.nist.gov, I am getting the front page to load, but all links are returning a 404 Not Found when browsing via v6
Right. They seem to have solved their PMTUD issues, though.
Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning. Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404. Here's my tracert if it helps: tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2001:1938:2a7::1 2 85 ms 87 ms 84 ms gw-383.phx-01.us.sixxs.net[2001:1938:81:17e::1] 3 92 ms 99 ms 86 ms 2001:4de0:1000:a4::1 4 98 ms 87 ms 90 ms 1-3.ipv6.r1.ph.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:27::2] 5 136 ms 140 ms 131 ms 3-2.ipv6.r1.at.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:15::1] 6 167 ms 167 ms 175 ms 2-1.ipv6.r2.dc.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:7::1] 7 246 ms 253 ms 245 ms 5-4.ipv6.r2.am.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:5::1] 8 248 ms 247 ms 247 ms AMS-IX.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f8:1::a501:3237:1] 9 265 ms 267 ms 265 ms FRA-1-pos413.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f0:0:16::1] 10 275 ms 268 ms 268 ms 6b1.fft4.alter.net [2001:7f8::319e:0:1] 11 268 ms 304 ms 271 ms gw6.dca6.alter.net [2001:600:c:8::2] 12 271 ms 271 ms 270 ms 2600:803:22f::2 13 280 ms 272 ms 268 ms 2600:803:22f::2 14 270 ms 269 ms 273 ms 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b Trace complete. On a somewhat related note, anyone else notice that PING in Windows 7 reverts down to use only an IPv4 address when pinging a DNS name w/ options specified: ping www.nist.gov Pinging nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b: time=274ms Reply from 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b: time=269ms Ping statistics for 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b: Packets: Sent = 2, Received = 2, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 269ms, Maximum = 274ms, Average = 271ms ping www.nist.gov -f Pinging nist.gov [129.6.13.45] with 32 bytes of data: Request timed out. David. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>wrote:
On 8 jun 2011, at 8:15, Andrew Koch wrote:
Speaking of www.nist.gov, I am getting the front page to load, but all links are returning a 404 Not Found when browsing via v6
Right. They seem to have solved their PMTUD issues, though.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford <david@davidswafford.com> wrote:
Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning. Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404. Here's my tracert if it helps:
tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2001:1938:2a7::1 2 85 ms 87 ms 84 ms gw-383.phx-01.us.sixxs.net[2001:1938:81:17e::1]
phoenix, az,us
3 92 ms 99 ms 86 ms 2001:4de0:1000:a4::1 4 98 ms 87 ms 90 ms 1-3.ipv6.r1.ph.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:27::2] 5 136 ms 140 ms 131 ms 3-2.ipv6.r1.at.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:15::1] 6 167 ms 167 ms 175 ms 2-1.ipv6.r2.dc.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:7::1]
wash-dc, usa
7 246 ms 253 ms 245 ms 5-4.ipv6.r2.am.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:5::1]
amsterdam, nl! (you seem to have bypassed NIST here...)
8 248 ms 247 ms 247 ms AMS-IX.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f8:1::a501:3237:1] 9 265 ms 267 ms 265 ms FRA-1-pos413.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f0:0:16::1]
Frankfurt, DE
10 275 ms 268 ms 268 ms 6b1.fft4.alter.net [2001:7f8::319e:0:1]
w00t! 12702! - 'lab ipv6 network in EMEA'
11 268 ms 304 ms 271 ms gw6.dca6.alter.net [2001:600:c:8::2]
back to DC.
12 271 ms 271 ms 270 ms 2600:803:22f::2 13 280 ms 272 ms 268 ms 2600:803:22f::2
2 more hops and home in bethesda... whooo! long trip!
14 270 ms 269 ms 273 ms 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b Trace complete.
Typical long trip via a sixxs.net tunnel. Unlike Hurricane Electric (tunnelbroker.net), Sixxs has no US peering that I know of so everything has to hit overseas before returning back. Curtis. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:19 AM To: David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; DO-webmaster@nist.gov Subject: Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford <david@davidswafford.com> wrote:
Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning. Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404. Here's my tracert if it helps:
tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2001:1938:2a7::1 2 85 ms 87 ms 84 ms gw-383.phx-01.us.sixxs.net[2001:1938:81:17e::1]
phoenix, az,us
3 92 ms 99 ms 86 ms 2001:4de0:1000:a4::1 4 98 ms 87 ms 90 ms 1-3.ipv6.r1.ph.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:27::2] 5 136 ms 140 ms 131 ms 3-2.ipv6.r1.at.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:15::1] 6 167 ms 167 ms 175 ms 2-1.ipv6.r2.dc.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:7::1]
wash-dc, usa
7 246 ms 253 ms 245 ms 5-4.ipv6.r2.am.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:5::1]
amsterdam, nl! (you seem to have bypassed NIST here...)
8 248 ms 247 ms 247 ms AMS-IX.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f8:1::a501:3237:1] 9 265 ms 267 ms 265 ms FRA-1-pos413.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f0:0:16::1]
Frankfurt, DE
10 275 ms 268 ms 268 ms 6b1.fft4.alter.net [2001:7f8::319e:0:1]
w00t! 12702! - 'lab ipv6 network in EMEA'
11 268 ms 304 ms 271 ms gw6.dca6.alter.net [2001:600:c:8::2]
back to DC.
12 271 ms 271 ms 270 ms 2600:803:22f::2 13 280 ms 272 ms 268 ms 2600:803:22f::2
2 more hops and home in bethesda... whooo! long trip!
14 270 ms 269 ms 273 ms 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b Trace complete.
Interesting ... I seem to stay in North America ... I guess it depends what POP you connect to? traceroute6 to nist.gov (2610:20:6060:aa::a66b) from 2001:4978:<snip>:fe67:cafa, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2001:<snip>::1 1.147 ms 0.461 ms 0.413 ms 2 gw-525.chi-02.us.sixxs.net 30.235 ms 30.380 ms 30.256 ms 3 sixxs.ge-0.0.0-30.core1.chi.bb6.your.org 109.226 ms 29.622 ms 30.270 ms 4 gige-g2-19.core1.chi1.he.net 31.716 ms 31.157 ms 40.147 ms 5 10gigabitethernet7-2.core1.nyc4.he.net 47.923 ms 56.877 ms 48.230 ms 6 2001:504:f::64 49.124 ms 51.467 ms 50.701 ms 7 2600:803:22f::2 63.797 ms 73.429 ms 63.938 ms 8 2600:803:22f::2 62.129 ms 68.801 ms 62.511 ms 9 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b 59.465 ms 76.910 ms 70.083 ms -----Original Message----- From: STARNES, CURTIS [mailto:Curtis.Starnes@granburyisd.org] Sent: June-08-11 11:27 AM To: Christopher Morrow; David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; DO-webmaster@nist.gov Subject: RE: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day Typical long trip via a sixxs.net tunnel. Unlike Hurricane Electric (tunnelbroker.net), Sixxs has no US peering that I know of so everything has to hit overseas before returning back. Curtis. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:19 AM To: David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; DO-webmaster@nist.gov Subject: Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford <david@davidswafford.com> wrote:
Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning. Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404. Here's my tracert if it helps:
tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2001:1938:2a7::1 2 85 ms 87 ms 84 ms gw-383.phx-01.us.sixxs.net[2001:1938:81:17e::1]
phoenix, az,us
3 92 ms 99 ms 86 ms 2001:4de0:1000:a4::1 4 98 ms 87 ms 90 ms 1-3.ipv6.r1.ph.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:27::2] 5 136 ms 140 ms 131 ms 3-2.ipv6.r1.at.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:15::1] 6 167 ms 167 ms 175 ms 2-1.ipv6.r2.dc.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:7::1]
wash-dc, usa
7 246 ms 253 ms 245 ms 5-4.ipv6.r2.am.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:5::1]
amsterdam, nl! (you seem to have bypassed NIST here...)
8 248 ms 247 ms 247 ms AMS-IX.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f8:1::a501:3237:1] 9 265 ms 267 ms 265 ms FRA-1-pos413.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f0:0:16::1]
Frankfurt, DE
10 275 ms 268 ms 268 ms 6b1.fft4.alter.net [2001:7f8::319e:0:1]
w00t! 12702! - 'lab ipv6 network in EMEA'
11 268 ms 304 ms 271 ms gw6.dca6.alter.net [2001:600:c:8::2]
back to DC.
12 271 ms 271 ms 270 ms 2600:803:22f::2 13 280 ms 272 ms 268 ms 2600:803:22f::2
2 more hops and home in bethesda... whooo! long trip!
14 270 ms 269 ms 273 ms 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b Trace complete.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Rob V <rob@ipninja.net> wrote:
Interesting ... I seem to stay in North America ... I guess it depends what POP you connect to?
traceroute6 to nist.gov (2610:20:6060:aa::a66b) from 2001:4978:<snip>:fe67:cafa, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2001:<snip>::1 1.147 ms 0.461 ms 0.413 ms 2 gw-525.chi-02.us.sixxs.net 30.235 ms 30.380 ms 30.256 ms 3 sixxs.ge-0.0.0-30.core1.chi.bb6.your.org 109.226 ms 29.622 ms 30.270 ms 4 gige-g2-19.core1.chi1.he.net 31.716 ms 31.157 ms 40.147 ms 5 10gigabitethernet7-2.core1.nyc4.he.net 47.923 ms 56.877 ms 48.230 ms 6 2001:504:f::64 49.124 ms 51.467 ms 50.701 ms 7 2600:803:22f::2 63.797 ms 73.429 ms 63.938 ms 8 2600:803:22f::2 62.129 ms 68.801 ms 62.511 ms 9 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b 59.465 ms 76.910 ms 70.083 ms
3 gige-g4-12.core1.ash1.he.net (2001:470:0:90::1) 12.26 ms 6.847 ms 14.985 ms 4 eqx.br6.iad8.verizonbusiness.com (2001:504:0:2::701:1) 7.385 ms 7.783 ms 7.463 ms he and 701 seem to peer? (judging by hostname on the PTR at least) so HE, probably does better than sixxs at least for 701 destinations. (of which nist appears to be one)
-----Original Message----- From: STARNES, CURTIS [mailto:Curtis.Starnes@granburyisd.org] Sent: June-08-11 11:27 AM To: Christopher Morrow; David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; DO-webmaster@nist.gov Subject: RE: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day
Typical long trip via a sixxs.net tunnel. Unlike Hurricane Electric (tunnelbroker.net), Sixxs has no US peering that I know of so everything has to hit overseas before returning back.
Curtis.
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 10:19 AM To: David Swafford Cc: nanog@nanog.org; DO-webmaster@nist.gov Subject: Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford <david@davidswafford.com> wrote:
Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning. Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404. Here's my tracert if it helps:
tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2001:1938:2a7::1 2 85 ms 87 ms 84 ms gw-383.phx-01.us.sixxs.net[2001:1938:81:17e::1]
phoenix, az,us
3 92 ms 99 ms 86 ms 2001:4de0:1000:a4::1 4 98 ms 87 ms 90 ms 1-3.ipv6.r1.ph.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:27::2] 5 136 ms 140 ms 131 ms 3-2.ipv6.r1.at.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:15::1] 6 167 ms 167 ms 175 ms 2-1.ipv6.r2.dc.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:7::1]
wash-dc, usa
7 246 ms 253 ms 245 ms 5-4.ipv6.r2.am.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:5::1]
amsterdam, nl! (you seem to have bypassed NIST here...)
8 248 ms 247 ms 247 ms AMS-IX.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f8:1::a501:3237:1] 9 265 ms 267 ms 265 ms FRA-1-pos413.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f0:0:16::1]
Frankfurt, DE
10 275 ms 268 ms 268 ms 6b1.fft4.alter.net [2001:7f8::319e:0:1]
w00t! 12702! - 'lab ipv6 network in EMEA'
11 268 ms 304 ms 271 ms gw6.dca6.alter.net [2001:600:c:8::2]
back to DC.
12 271 ms 271 ms 270 ms 2600:803:22f::2 13 280 ms 272 ms 268 ms 2600:803:22f::2
2 more hops and home in bethesda... whooo! long trip!
14 270 ms 269 ms 273 ms 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b Trace complete.
On 2011-Jun-08 17:26, STARNES, CURTIS wrote:
Typical long trip via a sixxs.net tunnel. Unlike Hurricane Electric (tunnelbroker.net), Sixxs has no US peering that I know of so everything has to hit overseas before returning back.
psst.. there is no such thing as "SixXS peering". Each PoP (http://www.sixxs.net/pops/) is provided by an ISP and that ISP arranges all the routing. As such, it depends on that ISP how the routing goes. But it is always a pleasure to see that people think that SixXS is equivalent to a full commercial ISP with 24/7 staffing instead of the two-man hobby project that it truly is ;) Of course, in case of problems etc don't hesitate to use http://www.sixxs.net/contact/ and provide the appropriate details so that they can be relayed to the relevant people. Yes, there is a mail queue, unfortunately there is also real work to be done, thus can't resolve the complaint of every single person. Greets, Jeroen
Good catch -- I traveled the world and back today on v6! Overall though the day seems to be going well, I've sparked a lot of enthusiasm at work by bragging this event (I even made a shirt to promote it :-), and I'd love to see this become a regular occurrence. David. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> To: "David Swafford" <david@davidswafford.com> Cc: "Iljitsch van Beijnum" <iljitsch@muada.com>, nanog@nanog.org, DO-webmaster@nist.gov Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 11:19:07 AM Subject: Re: www.nist.gov over v6 trouble Was: Microsoft's participation in World IPv6 day On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 AM, David Swafford <david@davidswafford.com> wrote:
Interesting, I'm having that same issue w/ www.nist.gov this morning. Front page loads fine, but all links return a 404. Here's my tracert if it helps:
tracert www.nist.gov Tracing route to nist.gov [2610:20:6060:aa::a66b] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 2001:1938:2a7::1 2 85 ms 87 ms 84 ms gw-383.phx-01.us.sixxs.net[2001:1938:81:17e::1]
phoenix, az,us
3 92 ms 99 ms 86 ms 2001:4de0:1000:a4::1 4 98 ms 87 ms 90 ms 1-3.ipv6.r1.ph.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:27::2] 5 136 ms 140 ms 131 ms 3-2.ipv6.r1.at.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:15::1] 6 167 ms 167 ms 175 ms 2-1.ipv6.r2.dc.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:7::1]
wash-dc, usa
7 246 ms 253 ms 245 ms 5-4.ipv6.r2.am.hwng.net[2001:4de0:1000:5::1]
amsterdam, nl! (you seem to have bypassed NIST here...)
8 248 ms 247 ms 247 ms AMS-IX.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f8:1::a501:3237:1] 9 265 ms 267 ms 265 ms FRA-1-pos413.v6.lambdanet.net[2001:7f0:0:16::1]
Frankfurt, DE
10 275 ms 268 ms 268 ms 6b1.fft4.alter.net [2001:7f8::319e:0:1]
w00t! 12702! - 'lab ipv6 network in EMEA'
11 268 ms 304 ms 271 ms gw6.dca6.alter.net [2001:600:c:8::2]
back to DC.
12 271 ms 271 ms 270 ms 2600:803:22f::2 13 280 ms 272 ms 268 ms 2600:803:22f::2
2 more hops and home in bethesda... whooo! long trip!
14 270 ms 269 ms 273 ms 2610:20:6060:aa::a66b Trace complete.
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 11:38:54AM -0400, David Swafford wrote:
Overall though the day seems to be going well, I've sparked a lot of enthusiasm at work by bragging this event (I even made a shirt to promote it :-), and I'd love to see this become a regular occurrence.
In fact, daily would be good... ;) Matthew -- Matthew Newton, Ph.D. <mcn4@le.ac.uk> Systems Architect (UNIX and Networks), Network Services, I.T. Services, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, United Kingdom For IT help contact helpdesk extn. 2253, <ithelp@le.ac.uk>
On 8 Jun 2011, at 07:15, Andrew Koch wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 00:59, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> wrote:
BTW, how are you guys dealing with path MTU discovery for IPv6? I've seen a few sites that have problems with this, such as www.nist.gov , >
Speaking of www.nist.gov, I am getting the front page to load, but all links are returning a 404 Not Found when browsing via v6
Andrew Koch andrew.koch@gawul.net
Top of the page it says (now, may have been added) "Note: This top level web page has been setup to test IPv6 capabilities and to participate in World IPv6 Day on June 8, 2011. This IPv6 web page will be disabled after the end of World IPv6 Day. Links on this page do not work. This is a copy of the NIST website, www.nist.gov , and is only reachable using the IPv6 network protocol. To access the entire NIST website, you must use the IPv4 network protocol." Cheers Neil -- Neil Long, Team Cymru http://www.cymru.com | +1 630 230 5422 | neil@cymru.com
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Neil Long wrote:
Top of the page it says (now, may have been added) "Note: This top level web page has been setup to test IPv6 capabilities and to participate in World IPv6 Day on June 8, 2011. This IPv6 web page will be disabled after the end of World IPv6 Day. Links on this page do not work. This is a copy of the NIST website, www.nist.gov, and is only reachable using the IPv6 network protocol. To access the entire NIST website, you must use the IPv4 network protocol."
Yeah, at least they said what they did, but they seem to have a misunderstanding of how dual-stack clients will use the www.nist.gov AAAA record. The result is that they've broken access to their content. ________________________________________________________________________ Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242 email: jay-ford@uiowa.edu, phone: 319-335-5555, fax: 319-335-2951
On 8 Jun 2011, at 16:30, Jay Ford wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Neil Long wrote:
Top of the page it says (now, may have been added) "Note: This top level web page has been setup to test IPv6 capabilities and to participate in World IPv6 Day on June 8, 2011. This IPv6 web page will be disabled after the end of World IPv6 Day. Links on this page do not work. This is a copy of the NIST website, www.nist.gov, and is only reachable using the IPv6 network protocol. To access the entire NIST website, you must use the IPv4 network protocol."
Yeah, at least they said what they did, but they seem to have a misunderstanding of how dual-stack clients will use the www.nist.gov AAAA record. The result is that they've broken access to their content.
________________________________________________________________________ Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242 email: jay-ford@uiowa.edu, phone: 319-335-5555, fax: 319-335-2951
Oh yes. I fail to see the logic and usefulness of doing that to a web site but it is a scientific experiment :-) Cheers Neil. -- Neil Long, Team Cymru http://www.cymru.com | +1 630 230 5422 | neil@cymru.com
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