[Apologies to NANOG; Greg sent me a reply off list, all three of his addresses feed to weird, and weird is *still* *entirely* too Catholic about machines with perfectly valid A records that do not also have MX records. I won't be continuing this thread, so as to avoid annoying anyone.] I don't know that you'll actually *get* this; ISTR you having your mailer set to be More Catholic Than The Pope... On Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 02:12:27AM -0500, Greg A. Woods wrote:
[ On Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 21:57:00 ( -0500), Jay R. Ashworth wrote: ]
Subject: Re: How common is lack of DNS server diversity?
Well, actually, Greg, there are multiple root clusters, with multiple sets of authoritative root servers -- but only one of those is consecrated by DoC/ICANN.
Yeah, OK, but the "consecrated" set isn't a "cluster", If I'm guessing correctly what you mean by that...
I meant it in the administrative sense, not the technical one. Yeah, by that definition, it's a cluster.
The other ones do exist, do work, and so far as I'm aware, there are not currently any rogue redelegations of "traditional" gTLDs, nor many, if any, collisions of non-traditional gTLDs, amongst the various ones.
Yeah, but just what percentage of real users ever hit them? I know of no major ISP that uses anything but the DoC/IANA DNS. Come to think of it I don't know of *any* ISP using the rogues.
No, I don't think they do, at the moment. None of the first or second tier access providers, certainly. I do know of at least a few third-tier (read: mom-n-pop's) that are.
I don't know exactly how the rogues work either, though if I'm guessing right they're not very safely or securely implemented since they'll require recursion be enabled. So, "work" might be a relative term here.
Indeed. I don't know if they're separating resolver and zone servers or not. They should be, of course; I haven't dug into the technical details. I *can* say, though, that not all the people involved are Friends-of-Gene, nor kooks.
I don't think I've ever seen a published URL point to any of there new TLDs either, and of course even if I did I couldn't see if it "worked" anyway.
That depends, of course, on your definition of "published". :-)
Nice experiments maybe, pushing the envelope possibly, but otherwise a total waste of time and effort.
I don't think so at all. While who runs the root servers and who runs the root *zone* are two separate questions, unfortunately almost always conflated, in the long run I think that the word 'confederation' will almost have to be the best term for the former... (I absolutely *shudder* at the thought of the FBI pulling a raid on NetSol and yanking *all* their roots down simultaneously... and if you think that can't happen, you ain't been paying attention), and as for the latter...well, we'll see. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015